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blackrams
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JAN 25, 09:35 PM
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Supreme Court Decision Sparks Texas Independence Calls
https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...ce-calls/ar-BB1h8yI6
| quote | Calls for Texas to declare independence from the United States are growing in the Lone Star State after the Supreme Court's decision on Monday siding with the Biden administration over a border barrier dispute.
In a 5 to 4 vote, a majority of the Supreme Court justices allowed federal officials to cut or remove parts of a razor-wire barrier that Texas had erected along the border with Mexico to keep migrants from crossing into its territory. Conservative justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh dissented. |
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In addition, 25 other state governors have sided with Governor Abbott.
President Biden isn't only risking his re-election but, he is pushing the line on a. real insurrection.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-25-2024).]
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theBDub
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JAN 25, 11:26 PM
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As a resident, Abbott is just playing politics. He doesn’t want to fix the border or our immigration policies.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 26, 07:31 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
As a resident, Abbott is just playing politics. He doesn’t want to fix the border or our immigration policies.
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Democrats = Don't want the border fixed because they like open borders.
Democrats = Don't like Trump, willing to convince everyone to pass a border bill because Trump doesn't want one (even though that's nonsense).
Democrats = Totally insane.
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theBDub
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JAN 26, 07:51 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Democrats = Don't want the border fixed because they like open borders.
Democrats = Don't like Trump, willing to convince everyone to pass a border bill because Trump doesn't want one (even though that's nonsense).
Democrats = Totally insane. |
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Democrats and Republicans have been working on a border deal since November.
Republicans like Mitch McConnell have said the deal is better than anything they could get by controlling Congress and White House.
Trump is pressuring not to go for the deal because it would be a win for Biden.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 26, 08:00 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Supreme Court Decision Sparks Texas Independence Calls
In addition, 25 other state governors have sided with Governor Abbott.
President Biden isn't only risking his re-election but, he is pushing the line on a. real insurrection.
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If you look at the Supreme Court "order," it basically vacates the decision by the appellate court. But it does not end the disagreement, it just means that the Supreme Court has not yet decided to officially rule on it until such point that it plays out in the lower courts. What I infer this means is that Border Patrol can continue to cut the razor wire, and the Texas National Guard can continue to replace the razor wire.
With this, Democrats are demanding that Biden take control of the Texas National Guard:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...-dispute/ar-BB1hfjlD
Like many of these articles, they claim that Abbot is "disregarding" or "defying" the Supreme Court "decision" ... which it is not, it's an order. And specifically, it states that the order for the Federal government to halt cutting the wire is vacated. Break... that's all it says. It means Biden can keep cutting the wire, and Abbot can keep putting it back.
It will be rather unbelievable if Biden takes control of the National Guard... though I don't expect the media to cover it too much if it happens. But it's certainly within the President's authority to do so.
| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
Democrats and Republicans have been working on a border deal since November.
Republicans like Mitch McConnell have said the deal is better than anything they could get by controlling Congress and White House.
Trump is pressuring not to go for the deal because it would be a win for Biden. |
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Yes, we've already seen it. It means VISAs for everyone already in the country, and tripling the number of H1B tech VISAs, and dozens of other requirements that essentially will radically inflate the number of workers for entry-level jobs, as well as construction jobs. All of these things will directly affect (negatively) poverty in the United States as it makes it even more difficult for people just starting out to get jobs.
No offense, but people like you make the assumption that every natural born American goes to college and has a tech job... like both you and I have in our careers. This is a small percentage of the American population. Like... don't get me wrong. I'm Hispanic, and all these people coming across are Catholic... so I'm thrilled that we're spreading Jesus to this nation of growing atheists such as yourself. But this is not good for the population of impoverished people that are already suffering under current Democrat policies.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 01-26-2024).]
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steve308
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JAN 26, 08:25 AM
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Let me see. A jet load of people coming in from a foreign country must land at a designated location and all inside must clear customs. A boat load of people from a foreign country must land at a designated location and clear customs. Our friendly northern neighbors must use designated points of entry and clear a customs check. Why the hell do these fools in the white house think the southern boarder should be an open free for all.
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theBDub
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JAN 26, 09:24 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Yes, we've already seen it. It means VISAs for everyone already in the country, and tripling the number of H1B tech VISAs, and dozens of other requirements that essentially will radically inflate the number of workers for entry-level jobs, as well as construction jobs. All of these things will directly affect (negatively) poverty in the United States as it makes it even more difficult for people just starting out to get jobs.
No offense, but people like you make the assumption that every natural born American goes to college and has a tech job... like both you and I have in our careers. This is a small percentage of the American population. Like... don't get me wrong. I'm Hispanic, and all these people coming across are Catholic... so I'm thrilled that we're spreading Jesus to this nation of growing atheists such as yourself. But this is not good for the population of impoverished people that are already suffering under current Democrat policies.
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Man, this can't be further from the truth... I'm one of very few that made it out of the community I grew up in. I didn't grow up poor, but my parents did, and they did extremely well to get out of their hole to the next rung up to lower middle class. Then I did extremely well to build on their momentum and continue climbing out of the hole to make it out of middle class. Most of my friends are low income, most of my extended family is in poverty or just above the threshold. I'm the first to go to college of my entire extended family. It's such a strange assumption to make and so off base...
Regarding the details of the border deal, we have not seen it. They had most policy details figured out, but hadn't finalized funding before Trump pressured them to drop it. Where are you seeing these details? The only things we know for sure is that it didn't include amnesty for children who came here illegally and that it made it harder to claim asylum. I'm genuinely curious where you're getting this information.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 26, 10:05 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
Man, this can't be further from the truth... I'm one of very few that made it out of the community I grew up in. I didn't grow up poor, but my parents did, and they did extremely well to get out of their hole to the next rung up to lower middle class. Then I did extremely well to build on their momentum and continue climbing out of the hole to make it out of middle class. Most of my friends are low income, most of my extended family is in poverty or just above the threshold. I'm the first to go to college of my entire extended family. It's such a strange assumption to make and so off base...
Regarding the details of the border deal, we have not seen it. They had most policy details figured out, but hadn't finalized funding before Trump pressured them to drop it. Where are you seeing these details? The only things we know for sure is that it didn't include amnesty for children who came here illegally and that it made it harder to claim asylum. I'm genuinely curious where you're getting this information. |
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The open discussions happen live on CSPAN. These are then analyzed by talking heads in various forms. I think I literally saw an analysis of it from MarketWatch Streaming on Roku while I was working. There's several proposals that are being pushed by numerous members (clearly being pushed by corporations) to increase work visas and H1Bs in particular... so this is the current push.
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BingB
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JAN 26, 10:40 AM
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United States has to have immigration if we want to continue under our current financial system. Our current systems requires growth, but our birth rate has dropped to the point that we are no longer replacing our own population. This should not be the big cultural issue that many people make it into because our entire country was built on immigration.
The "border issue" is actually two different issues. One is the rules for legal immigrants seeking asylum. The other is for border security to stop immigrants from entering illegally.
The current deal being worked out in congress addresses both of these issues. It includes funding for more judges and resources to more quickly resolve requests for asylum, and it also includes funds for increased border security. The limits on "parole" are a sticking point. The Biden administration is claiming that humanitarian crisis across the world should require the United States to continue to receive almost unlimited immigrants requesting amnesty. That is not acceptable, and once they started bussing the parolees all over the country even Democrats in other large cities have started calling for limitations.
Over the last several years immigration policy has been done through executive orders by the President. That needs to end. Congress needs to make the laws in this area. BOTH PARTIES have been working on legislation to address both stricter asylum protocol and more security funding. But it is currently being derailed by the Republican extremists that support Trump. That is not just a claim made by Democrats. Multiple Republicans, including Mitt Romey and Mitch McConnell, have said the same thing. The current border problem is key to Trump's election and he does not want it resolved.[This message has been edited by BingB (edited 01-26-2024).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 26, 10:48 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
United States has to have immigration if we want to continue under our current financial system. Our current systems requires growth, but our birth rate has dropped to the point that we are no longer replacing our own population. This should not be the big cultural issue that many people make it into because our entire country was built on immigration.
The "border issue" is actually two different issues. One is the rules for legal immigrants seeking asylum. The other is for border security to stop immigrants from entering illegally.
The current deal being worked out in congress addresses both of these issues. It includes funding for more judges and resources to more quickly resolve requests for asylum, and it also includes funds for increased border security. The limits on "parole" are a sticking point. The Biden administration is claiming that humanitarian crisis across the world should require the United States to continue to receive almost unlimited immigrants requesting amnesty. That is not acceptable, and once they started bussing the parolees all over the country even Democrats in other large cities have started calling for limitations.
BOTH PARTIES have been working on legislation to address both stricter asylum protocol and more security funding. But it is currently being derailed by the Republican extremists that support Trump. That is not just a claim made by Democrats. Multiple Republicans, including Mitt Romey and Mitch McConnell, have said the same thing. The current border problem is key to Trump's election and he does not want it resolved. |
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If I wanted to become a citizen of Canada, I have to show that I can support myself, and that I have certain skills that I would bring to the country. In the past, we've always ensured that the people we allowed into the country had something to offer, and not simply just taking a hand-out. There are many times where we've taken people who come from war-torn areas... but that's not what's going on in South and Central America. We can accept people from socialist dictatorships where they're literally being persecuted. But in Central America... these people are literally coming because they want better economic opportunity. That's great... but that's not seeking "asylum." There is nothing they're getting asylum from... there's no such thing as economic asylum. What this is literally... are Democrats importing victims that they hope will help them regain power in the future and long-term. For some Republicans, it's cheap labor that they can exploit.
Both my parents are technically immigrants, though my mom was nationalized. They did it the right way... legally.
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