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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 31, 05:29 PM
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To lazy to search, but I remember quite a few people here saying Disney would for sure win and DeSantis was in trouble.
https://flvoicenews.com/fed...it-against-desantis/
As I said... it's not a question of 1st amendment, it's a question of STATE constitutionality. A state's legislature can pass a law, and even if that's in retaliation to something you said or did... it's still law.
The judge dismissed it without prejudice, which to those who don't know... it means it can be retried if so desired. Disney has decided to accept it though and move on.
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BingB
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JAN 31, 05:53 PM
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This DeSantis/Disney feud would make a great movie. Since you live down there you probably know more about the details, but it has crazy all over it.
It was crazy that Disney had it's own government district.
It was crazy that a governor would declare war on one of the biggest employers in his state over a cultural/religious issue.
Now there are cases in state court and cases in federal court and a sex scandal among the group DeSantis appointed to run the Disney "district".
Plenty of stuff to make a movie.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 31, 07:08 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
This DeSantis/Disney feud would make a great movie. Since you live down there you probably know more about the details, but it has crazy all over it.
It was crazy that Disney had it's own government district.
It was crazy that a governor would declare war on one of the biggest employers in his state over a cultural/religious issue.
Now there are cases in state court and cases in federal court and a sex scandal among the group DeSantis appointed to run the Disney "district".
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There's a view the rest of the country has, and the view that Floridians have.
Disney had what was called an "Independent Special District." There are a few of these, actually... but it was something that was granted to Disney way back in the day. I don't feel like looking any of this stuff up, so I'll be vague with the numbers and go from memory. Basically... this special district was an offer from the then-Governor of Florida to encourage Walt Disney to move all his operations to Florida... which apparently before Florida even had a state constitution. I'm not sure how that's even constitutional since the Constitution states that every state must have their own constitution. Regardless... the state constitution was ratified at some point in the early 1960s if I remember correctly. And they grandfathered it in. Under the new state constitution, there's a special section that deals with independent districts, and there are several new districts that were created post-Constitution that allow for special rights. The Villages is one example, as is the system of waterways (under their own water management district) and several others. There's even one for a group of nomads and gypsies that created a Spiritualist Town in Florida. All the new independent districts conform to the state constitution, but the Disney one had been grandfathered, but did not meet the letter of the law.
For decades, no one bothered to mess with it because Disney was bringing in money for the state. This was when tourism (specifically Disney), made up a large percentage of the state's income. Tourism only makes up less than 8% of the state's total income (as of 2023). This number goes down every year. It's not that tourism is decreasing (it's actually increasing), but Florida's industry has grown exponentially over the past 10 years, so tourism isn't as important as it once was.
Florida passed a law that consequently said that books with explicit images, discussions about transgenderism, homosexuality, and sex, were no longer allowed in elementary school libraries. It also set a guideline stating that teachers could not push transgender ideologies to anyone younger than 12 (or something like that). Democrats, as part of an anti-DeSantis narrative called it the "Don't Say Gay," law... which it really wasn't. At the time, it wasn't Bob Iger, but Bob Chapek (the one who was fired, and caused Disney to lose billions). It was actually this very thing that caused Bob Chapek to get fired from Disney, and ultimately bring back Bob Iger.
Anyway, DeSantis did not like that Disney was using the full weight of their resources to strong-arm his administration, so he decided they were going to... "fix the glitch" to use an Office Space quote. DeSantis asked the legislation to pass a law that forced Disney under the new laws (laws as of the 1960s). Republicans have a super majority in the state, so it passed the house, senate, and he passed it.
This was horrendous for Disney, because they've essentially lost the power they once had. They now have to get everything approved through the new commission, which DeSantis directly appointed everyone on that board (and confirmed by the legislature). So Bob Iger (who was now back at the helm of Disney) was trying to stop this action since it was so catastrophic to Disney... but we see the result above.
I don't know if it would make a great movie... it's all pretty bland and I doubt if there's any yelling except for the board of directors to Bob Chapek after he had to face them. It might make for a low budget documentary.
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blackrams
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JAN 31, 09:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The judge dismissed it without prejudice, which to those who don't know... it means it can be retried if so desired. Disney has decided to accept it though and move on. |
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Disney has gotten so much bad press, they just want it to all go away.
Rams
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randye
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JAN 31, 09:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
To lazy to search, but I remember quite a few people here saying Disney would for sure win and DeSantis was in trouble.
https://flvoicenews.com/fed...it-against-desantis/
As I said... it's not a question of 1st amendment, it's a question of STATE constitutionality. A state's legislature can pass a law, and even if that's in retaliation to something you said or did... it's still law.
The judge dismissed it without prejudice, which to those who don't know... it means it can be retried if so desired. Disney has decided to accept it though and move on.
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Once again the hooting and howling of our Leftist peanut gallery here is proven WRONG
This federal court decision also obviously renders Disney's parallel state level litigation moot.
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rinselberg
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JAN 31, 10:08 PM
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randye
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FEB 01, 04:00 AM
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msnbc/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog
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As if FOUR YEARS of relentless "Russian Collusion" bullshit wasn't enough.
The Butch Lesbo, propagandist show, still mansplaining things for Leftist Lemmings.
 [This message has been edited by randye (edited 02-01-2024).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 01, 08:00 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Once again the hooting and howling of our Leftist peanut gallery here is proven WRONG
This federal court decision also obviously renders Disney's parallel state level litigation moot. |
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I read as such also on another article (which I cannot find now). Something something, Disney will work with the new "government" in making Disney a magical place (or something to that effect).
But your comment about the state tort lawsuit is so right. Normally when there's competing Federal / State lawsuits, they let the state courts play out first... because then the Federal courts don't need to bother... and of course, it's part of the natural process of allowing cases to work their way through the court's "chain of command." But Disney asked the 11th Circuit to fast-track this court case intentionally. They believed if a decision was found in their favor, it would immediately bolster their state / tort case against DeSantis. But just as you said... even though this case was dismissed without prejudice, there's no win here. Matter of fact, they actually hurt their own case by referencing law that worked against their argument (which is insanely bad for that firm that supported them). It now means... as you've basically said, this state case will have no teeth. It'll probably see it's way through the courts, but it no longer means anything. Not for you, but for others... in tort law, guilt is different than in a criminal or constitutional-type of case. It becomes preponderance of evidence versus beyond reasonable doubt. So... I don't know what retribution Disney is seeking (damages I guess). Unless I'm totally wrong and it's not a tort case at all, but seeking to overturn the new commission. But either way... this state lawsuit has no teeth... and Disney will either let it play out, or just ask for the case to be dismissed. The state now has the evidence from the Federal case to support them.
No disrespect, but I was confused at first when I started reading the article and realized this is about DeSantis, and nothing to do with Disney in the link. My intent at least with the post was focused more on Disney than it is on DeSantis. I view DeSantis's actions more as "the state" than I do him personally, but I understand why you'd come to that conclusion. From the prospect of Disney... the company has not been doing well... at all. Right or wrong, Disney's leadership under Bob Chapek was absolutely horrendous, and led to a lot of decisions that have caused Disney to lose billions. There's a reason why he was fired... and I hope that Bob Iger can again right the ship. Companies like Disney need to stay out of cultural politics. They can support different "communities" of people as they say... which, I hate that term because it's exclusionary, not inclusionary. But never the less... Disney is very much suffering from the "Go Woke, Go Broke" mindset. I live an hour from Disney, and go to Universal, but absolutely refuse to set foot in a Disney park until they get back to normal. I won't get Disney+, and refuse to go on their cruise ship (which I'd taken 3 Disney cruises in the past). I'm not alone...
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rinselberg
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FEB 01, 08:11 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
As if FOUR YEARS of relentless "Russian Collusion" bullshit wasn't enough... the Butch Lesbo, propagandist show, still mansplaining things for Leftist Lemmings. |
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So... have you got anything to say about these cases that went against your precious Ron Desantis?
You can mock the messenger—Rachel Maddow—with your childish memes and slogans, but what about the message itself?
https://www.msnbc.com/rache...ack-court-rcna133494
Are you going to challenge the reporting? Is what's reported here factual or not? If the case against Disney that went in favor of the Florida governor is such a big deal, what about these other cases that have gone against him? Is there any balance to be struck? Any connection to be made? Or is it that you've become too delirious to say anything cogent because you're not getting enough oxygen?
You have not the wit to feel the embarrassment for yourself that is deservedly your lot.
Rachel Maddow had something to say about "Our Man Flynn"[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-01-2024).]
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ray b
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FEB 01, 09:41 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Disney has gotten so much bad press, they just want it to all go away.
Rams
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they wish it would go way and the gays also
actually diz will fight on against the fascist nut rhonda
as the judge is a rump nut
he only appoints scum to the courts one more reason to reject the fool
''During Winsor’s confirmation process, senators learned that the Floridian, who served as then-Gov. Rick Scott’s solicitor general, was a longtime member of the Federalist Society. The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights described Winsor as “a young, conservative ideologue who has attempted to restrict voting rights, LGBT equality, reproductive freedom, environmental protection, criminal defendants’ rights, and gun safety.
He does not possess the neutrality and fair-mindedness necessary to serve in a lifetime position as a federal judge.”
He was narrowly confirmed in 2019, over the objections of every Democratic senator except Joe Manchin.
Five years later, the conservative jurist is doing exactly what the political world expected him to do.
As for the future of the litigation, a Disney spokesperson told CNN, “This is an important case with serious implications for the rule of law, and it will not end here. If left unchallenged, this would set a dangerous precedent and give license to states to weaponize their official powers to punish the expression of political viewpoints they disagree with. We are determined to press forward with our case.”
rhonda won nothing just justice delayed a nut - con specialty seen before
and I note every con here who posted got it wrong
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