JD Vance VP Pick (Page 1/9)
NewDustin JUL 15, 05:06 PM
This is exactly what I was talking about in the Marco Rubio thread when I said they shouldn't get too greedy. Then again, with the way things are playing out post-assassination attempt this very well may be the time to get greedy.
https://www.foxnews.com/pol...is-2024-running-mate

The good:
You get a young candidate for the next election to carry the MAGA flag
You have close alignment on policy and support base

The bad:
You get nothing in the way of new votes, and cover no new ground
You signal to both parties you aren't interested in compromise

I'm looking at it from the outside-in, however. What do you all think?

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olejoedad JUL 15, 05:41 PM
Rubio and the N. Dakota governor weren't good picks, Scott and Haley would bring in some votes, but Vance does have a Rust Belt connection that may work with MI, PA and WI.
Doug85GT JUL 15, 07:01 PM
This is a life insurance pick. If anyone takes out Trump, his policies continue. If he had picked a compromise VP, he would be asking to get assassinated.
NewDustin JUL 15, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by Doug85GT:

This is a life insurance pick. If anyone takes out Trump, his policies continue. If he had picked a compromise VP, he would be asking to get assassinated.



I agree, but more along the lines of Trump is already 1.5 years past the average age of death for a man in the US. Chances are good neither of the current candidates would be able to serve a full term. Also, if he does happen to make it through 4 years, there's someone with plenty of time to carry the incumbent advantage into the next election cycle.

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blackrams JUL 15, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by NewDustin:


I agree, but more along the lines of Trump is already 1.5 years past the average age of death for a man in the US. Chances are good neither of the current candidates would be able to serve a full term. Also, if he does happen to make it through 4 years, there's someone with plenty of time to carry the incumbent advantage into the next election cycle.




I'd agree with you on one of the candidates but, I believe the other one is in much better health. One never knows when our earthly presence will end so, based on that and the two options we're being presented with. I'll take the guy that had a great record while in office. I don't have to like him to know whose term was better for us. Whether we're talking about the price of fuel, buying food at the grocery store or, buying just about anything else. Unions are even turning their backs on the current Dem ticket. That should tell us much.

Regardless, Senator Vance is a better choice than what is currently in that position, he well may help the campaign in purple states.

Rams
82-T/A [At Work] JUL 15, 08:54 PM
I would really have liked Ben Carson... but I guess he's technically a bit too old as a VP pick... but I really like Carson. I don't really know a whole lot about JD Vance... but I'm kind of "meh..."
NewDustin JUL 15, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
technically a bit too old as a VP pick... but I really like Carson.


I agree; he would be older than any President at the time of election other than Biden or Trump, and would be second oldest VP ever elected. He's 20 years older than the median age of VPs.

I can't for the life of me see myself supporting another near-octogenarian for President, or any office at this point. We're Feinstein/McConnelling these people, and I'm kind of over watching Palpatine-esque elected leaders melt of old age.

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williegoat JUL 16, 07:38 AM
To add Vance is to Advance.
82-T/A [At Work] JUL 16, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by NewDustin:I agree; he would be older than any President at the time of election other than Biden or Trump, and would be second oldest VP ever elected. He's 20 years older than the median age of VPs.

I can't for the life of me see myself supporting another near-octogenarian for President, or any office at this point. We're Feinstein/McConnelling these people, and I'm kind of over watching Palpatine-esque elected leaders melt of old age.



Alzheimer's disease and dementia can happen at almost any age after 50. So, I don't really agree with the whole jump on the bandwagon, "let's trash the oldies" approach that's going through the media. Young people are morons... they just are. When I was younger, I was a complete idiot. I should be dead multiple times over except for some reason, someone felt I should still be alive.

In Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (yes, I just went there), you have something called Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma. Intelligence you're generally born with... you can make yourself a little bit smarter, but your brain capacity is gifted to you at birth. Wisdom is not something you're born with... it's something that's earned and cultivated ... if you will. Granted, not all old people have more wisdom than all young people, but they certainly had more wisdom than they themselves had when they were young. Charisma... well, that's a function of intelligence and wisdom. You cannot be charismatic if you're a moron.

So that leaves Strength and Constitution. Well... physical strength isn't really that important. The First Lady isn't going to be asking the President to help her move furniture while she's redesigning the Oval Office, nor will the President be required to change an alternator or a starter on "The Beast." There are people for that. So that leaves Constitution... you either have it, or you don't. It declines if there's something wrong with you. Biden's Constitution is failing... Trump's is not. Being old does not affect Trump. And if the only thing we're thinking about with Presidents is whether or not they're going to get killed and who will take over for them... then our priorities are really screwed up, or we're buying into the narrative.


I will unequivocally take an older person with a good head on their shoulders (that DOESN'T have dementia), over a young person that hasn't "thought through" all their life's accomplishments and failures yet... ANY DAY. Because that's wisdom.
maryjane JUL 16, 11:14 AM
So you base all that political 'wisdom' on who can best save the princess?