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olejoedad
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JUL 30, 03:54 PM
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ray b
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JUL 31, 12:29 PM
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missing big chunks of that story
pre-civil war all the slave owning con's
post civil war jim crow con's
after ww1 the 3 con's who created the great DEPRESSION
AFTER WW2 the new jim crow con's
john birch boys and voting rights wars [guess who lost]
only then before st ron we had a very tricky dickie
guess it is eazy to see why you want to skip all the REAL HISTORY
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BingB
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AUG 01, 10:42 AM
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I agree 100%. The current conservative movement (Third wave Nat Cons) is more about religion and culture than political policy.
Freedom of speech as long as you don't say anything about gay people or the history of racism in America.
Equal protection under the law as long as you are not a member of the LGBTQ community.
"God given" rights, but only from one specific god.
But here is the high comedy section
"The National Conservative Statement of Principles recognizes that progressives have already achieved dominance in American universities, K–12 education, the media, Fortune 500 corporations, entertainment, Big Tech, Big Philanthropy, Big Law, the administrative state, many state and local bureaucracies, and the leadership of the military and the intelligence agencies."
--Media?. . . The #1 news organization in America is a right-wing propaganda machine.
--Fortune 500 companies? . . . "The National Bureau of Economic Research ran the names of all individuals to have run a company listed in the S&P 1500 between 2000 and 2017 through federal campaign finance databases, which include contributions to both congressional and presidential candidates as well as party committees.
The result: 18.6% of CEOs consistently donated to Democrats, while 57.7% donated to Republicans, with the rest leaning toward neither party." https://www.cnn.com/2019/05...crat-ceos/index.html
This is why Trump gave corporations a PERMANENT tax cut but had the one to individuals go away in 2025 (the year he thought he would be out of office)
--Big Philanthropy?. . . Over half of the charitable giving in the United States is church/religion based.
--Big Law?. . . WTF is "Big Law"? The Supreme Court is an overwhelming majority conservative and half of all federal judges are Republican appointees.
--State and local bureaucracies?. . . A majority of state legislatures are controlled by Republicans. This is the main reason conservatives want to take away the right for citizens to directly elect their Senators and give that power to the government.
This is the silliest pile of ridiculous fear mongering I have ever seen. This guys vitim card is so big he probably can't lift it.[This message has been edited by BingB (edited 08-01-2024).]
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ray b
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AUG 06, 11:45 AM
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“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States,
and there has always been.
The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread...
nurtured by the false notion that democracy means
that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.''
- Isaac Asimov
con's he is talking to you
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Doug85GT
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AUG 06, 02:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States,
and there has always been.
The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread...
nurtured by the false notion that democracy means
that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.''
- Isaac Asimov
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1980 rant against ignorance and illiteracy. I recommend everyone read it.
https://aphelis.net/wp-cont...ult_of_Ignorance.pdf
Public education has had 44 years since then to educate the people. Are we more or less enlightened?
Can you read Isaac Asimov's article? If you did read it, what would Isaac think about your writing with a lack of capitalization, punctuation, one & two syllable words and use of caps lock?[This message has been edited by Doug85GT (edited 08-06-2024).]
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NewDustin
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AUG 06, 05:47 PM
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The first wave, symbolized by William F. Buckley, Jr. and Ronald Reagan, lasted from the mid-1950s to the end of the Cold War;
the second wave, symbolized by Paul Ryan and the two Bush presidencies, ran from the 1990s to roughly the second decade of this century;
and the third wave, symbolized by Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump, is ongoing.
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This is a strange list. Buckley? If we aren’t sticking with Speaker/President why not Milton Freedman? Why not Newt Gingrich? Or, you know, ANY actual elected official?
…and Paul Ryan over any of the big NeoCons (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Newt AGAIN)? This seems a little narrative-crafting-y to me.
Then again, that’s semantics to the point that he’s making about Keynesian conservatives and pro-free-market, fiscal conservatives. Call them ‘third wavers’ or ‘nat cons,’ what separates them is pro-government-intervention vs pro-free-market/personal freedom, and he nails that down solidly, if he slips after he does so.
His attempt to tie Reagan to Trump-esque nationalism falls flat the instant you remember that Reagan was so expressly against it that he concluded his farewell address by warning about it specifically. It would have been an extremely weak tie-in even if it did make sense.
Also, you have to studiously ignore Milton Friedman to pretend like the economic roots of the NeoCon movement weren’t solidly within the Reagan administration like this author does.
I do agree wholeheartedly with this characterization of NeoConservatives vs the current lot of more nationalist/social interventionist Republicans:
| quote | | Roy charges the NatCons with a “willing[ness] to abridge individual and economic freedom to fight the woke Left.” |
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Becoming National Socialists to own the libs.
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ray b
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AUG 12, 10:42 PM
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"Coming of age in a fascist police state will not be a barrel of fun for anybody, much less for people like me, who are not inclined to suffer Nazis gladly and feel only contempt for the cowardly flag-suckers who would gladly give up their outdated freedom to live for the mess of pottage they have been conned into believing will be freedom from fear.”
― Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear: Loathsome Secrets of a Star-Crossed Child in the Final Days of the American Century
“The slow-rising central horror of "Watergate" is not that it might grind down to the reluctant impeachment of a vengeful thug of a president whose entire political career has been a monument to the same kind of cheap shots and treachery he finally got nailed for, but that we might somehow fail to learn something from it.”
― Hunter S. Thompson Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72
It is not a coincidence that the people responsible for taking America to war directly benefit financially. Politicians and their corporate sponsors have tricked ordinary Americans into thinking legitimate enemies exist and must be confronted. The truth is there are no enemies, only business opportunities.
trump is nixon withOUT any of nixon's good ideas
clean water WET LANDS EPA ECT
HE IS THE RUMP for wanting to end all that for a few extra bucks
if the buck went to the workers fine
BUT SOMEHOW IT NEVER DOES
THEY PROMISE
they lie
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williegoat
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AUG 13, 09:35 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
"Coming of age in a fascist police state will not be a barrel of fun for anybody, much less for people like me, who are not inclined to suffer Nazis gladly and feel only contempt for the cowardly flag-suckers who would gladly give up their outdated freedom to live for the mess of pottage they have been conned into believing will be freedom from fear.”
― Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear: Loathsome Secrets of a Star-Crossed Child in the Final Days of the American Century
“The slow-rising central horror of "Watergate" is not that it might grind down to the reluctant impeachment of a vengeful thug of a president whose entire political career has been a monument to the same kind of cheap shots and treachery he finally got nailed for, but that we might somehow fail to learn something from it.”
― Hunter S. Thompson Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72
It is not a coincidence that the people responsible for taking America to war directly benefit financially. Politicians and their corporate sponsors have tricked ordinary Americans into thinking legitimate enemies exist and must be confronted. The truth is there are no enemies, only business opportunities.
trump is nixon withOUT any of nixon's good ideas
clean water WET LANDS EPA ECT
HE IS THE RUMP for wanting to end all that for a few extra bucks
if the buck went to the workers fine
BUT SOMEHOW IT NEVER DOES
THEY PROMISE
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You really are a conformist, a square. Try reading something that is not on the "fake hippy approved" list.
Now go put on your granny glasses and tie dyes, and pop that worn out copy of American Beauty on the record player.
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williegoat
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AUG 13, 10:06 AM
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This really is a great song.
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olejoedad
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AUG 13, 10:18 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
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It is not a coincidence that the people responsible for taking America to war directly benefit financially. Politicians and their corporate sponsors have tricked ordinary Americans into thinking legitimate enemies exist and must be confronted.
(snip)
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The above paragraph is a good description of every modern president, with the exceptions of Eisenhower, Reagan and Trump.[This message has been edited by olejoedad (edited 08-13-2024).]
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