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BingB
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SEP 02, 09:15 PM
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Here is a thread describing my opinion of Harris two months ago.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...m12/HTML/001133.html
My opinion of her abilities to be President have not really changed. But my opinion of her chances to win have changed considerably.
The people who say polls are "meaningless" are just as wrong as people who put all their faith in polls. People like to point to the results in 2016 as an example of how wrong polls can be, but every state finished within the margin of error based on the last polls.
Right now the polls are so close in most states that Trump and Harris overlap within the margin of error. The polls can't tell us who will win, but they can sure tell us it is close.
Much closer than I thought it would be. I never felt that there was anything particularly offensive about Harris but when she tried to run in '20 she completely bombed out. I did not know a lot about her at the time, but I thought that crime was a weak issue for the Democrats and she might try to spin her experience as DA for San Francisco into some sort of a Democrat version of "tough on crime". But ger campaign never even got off the ground.
When Biden picked her she was qualified for the position, but I certainly felt like he was playing politics with a brown woman. Despite a popular myth he never said he would pick a minority or a woman as his VP, but it sure seemed that way.
When she took over for Biden I figured she would be dead in the water. That is why I started the thread linked above. But she has motivated a lot of young voters and minorities.
And that is what makes this debate so important. Trump is not going to say or do anything that will change anyone's opinion of him. But Harris is actually very unknown for a Presidential candidate. She was not in national politics long enough to make any impact. She was only a Senator for 4 years. Since she did not really even make into the Democratic primaries for 2020 (when Dems did not have an incumbent) no one said much about her. As Biden's VP she debated Pence, but no one remembers that. Very few people care about the VP debate.
The thing about going through the primaries for your own party is that you get toughened up by facing attacks before you go into the general election. But Harris has not really had any experience with that in either 2020 or this year.
Trump is not going to go up or down much based on this next debate, but Harris could either soar or completely fall on her face.
My prediction is that Trump will ramble and repeat a few of his favorite speaking points multiple times. There will be times when his answer does not even mention the subject of the question.
Harris will be able to stay on point but she will use too much complicated political jargon to try and make herself sound smart. She will try to be everything for everyone, but will have trouble sounding sincere. This means a lot. Hillary Clinton was just as smart as Bill. The only difference between them was that Bill was a charmer while no one trusted her even when she did tell the truth. If Kamala is going to have any change she is going to have to stop looking like a bad actress playing a Presidential candidate.
I don't know what is going to happen, but it is going to be worth watching.
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randye
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SEP 02, 11:41 PM
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cliffw
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SEP 03, 01:56 AM
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I missed that thread.
What is your opinion of Camala now ? You never described your opinion of her then. Just her chances of winning.
Why didn't you describe your described your opinion of her then. Why are you not doing it now ? Could it be that she has pulled a Biden, hiding from the American public ? Do you think just one interview with friendly media answer all the questions Americans have ? Are the Dumbs scared of her looking worse mentally than Biden due to her word salads, and cackling laugh in response to questions ? Trump answers all questions anytime.
Is just one debate on her friendly ground going to decide to vote for her, maybe against her ?
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olejoedad
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SEP 03, 07:56 AM
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The thread title is true.
The debate will mean the end of Harris' possibility of ever holding public office again.
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ray b
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SEP 03, 09:18 AM
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RUMP WILL LIE
THE RWNJ'S HERE WILL NOT CARE
THE LOSER RUMP WILL LOSE AGAIN
HE WILL RANT AND CRY FRAUD
with out a bit of proof again
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BingB
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SEP 03, 09:21 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Obviously, the only thing that "THIS DEBATE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO MEAN" is that, as usual, you are:
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Okay. I will admit that I was wrong.
He said he would pick a woman but not a minority.
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BingB
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SEP 03, 09:25 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Are the Dumbs scared of her looking worse mentally than Biden due to her word salads, and cackling laugh in response to questions ?
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No.
She obviously has some flaws, but not as bad as Biden.
| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Trump answers all questions anytime.
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He answers them the way he wants to. This sometimes means that his answer does not address anything he was asked about.
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ray b
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SEP 03, 09:37 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
He answers them the way he wants to. This sometimes means that his answer does not address anything he was asked about. |
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or he lies
he lies alot
he seldom truthfully answers real substantive questions
and the RWNJ'S NEVER NOTICE HIS RAMBLING bs WORD SALADS
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82-T/A [At Work]
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SEP 03, 10:39 AM
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Ray talks a lot about "lies," but the frustrating thing to me is that Kamala, and in general... Democrats seem to always resist wanting to do debates and / or big interviews unless they have some control over them. I have thoughts, but I'd appreciate yours.
Kamala only wants 1 debate (though she says she wants more, and then says her team hasn't agreed to them). But the common consensus is that keeping her out of the spotlight is better for her prospects. The same was said for Joe Biden. I'd agree that they're correct... and honestly, the less Kamala has unscripted air time, the better for her. But why? It's not because she'll make a fool of herself, but it's because the Democrats are concerned that their views are going to be unpopular. This was not unlike some of the stuff that President Obama was doling out going into his first and second term. The interviews were largely scripted... meaning the questions were to an extent, known ahead of time, pre-recorded. Hillary did this same thing too... there was even a scandal where she was given the questions ahead of time.
Bottom line, I really dislike the fact that the media plays favorites... mostly for Democrats. I also don't like the fact that the media seems to ignore the fact that Trump is willing to go on any TV show, at any point, and discuss policies, while the Democrats are reluctant at all to be on air, and have huge demands and safety-controls for the rare times that she does. Again... what bothers me more than anything is that they realize their policies are largely unfavorable. Is this because they acknowledge they're bad policies ... or do they simply think people are too dumb to properly understand them?
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BingB
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SEP 03, 11:09 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
what bothers me more than anything is that they realize their policies are largely unfavorable. Is this because they acknowledge they're bad policies ... or do they simply think people are too dumb to properly understand them? |
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I'll help you out here a little.
You are not omniscient and you can not read the minds of other people. You have no idea what Democrats think of their policies.
Democrats do not think their policies are unpopular. In fact Democrats have been kicking Republican ass over the last few years in elections at both the State and National level. And although it is still too close to call Harris has moved up and passed Trump on most polls.
So it seems Republicans are the ones too stupid to understand.
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