If Every Dollar Bill Has A Serial Number ... (Page 1/8)
cliffw OCT 10, 09:48 AM
Why don't ballots ?
williegoat OCT 10, 10:11 AM
That would be racist.

And a threat to Democrats.

And would disenfranchise millions of cross dressers.

You must be a rube.

On November 6, you will be invited to attend a special informational seminar, where you will be issued your serial number.
williegoat OCT 10, 10:20 AM
Oh, wait...you are an alien. Never mind.
olejoedad OCT 10, 11:02 AM
In Michigan, the ballots have serial numbers.
Doug85GT OCT 10, 11:31 AM
It depends on the state. Some do have serial numbers on the ballots.

The history of voting is interesting. Here is a quick synopsis of it in the U.S. Keep in mind that the writer does have a leftist slant. While he points out the short comings of previous methods of voting, his lack of criticisms of the current method of optical scan ballots is glaring. With those caveats, this is useful overview of the history. It explains old idioms such as, "straight party ticket", and "pulling the level for <candidate's name>".

https://www.history.com/new...s-ballots-electronic


Prior to the printing of ballots, a voter could vote for anyone for an office. I don't mean a write in candidate. The voter could verbally state the name of the person for their vote. Later they could write any name on a piece of paper. When the government took over printing ballots the government also seized the power to limit who the voters could vote for. It does not take much thought to see how this power can be abused. There were several prominent attempts this election cycle to remove candidates from the ballot.

I would be fine with a return back to voice voting under oath. We have the technology to easily record every vote. It would leave an easy audit trail. Such recordings would be easy to match up with the voter during a fraud investigation. It would eliminate the government's control over ballots. Such voice voting would be easier to do than filling in a bubble on a piece of paper. Even illiterate people could vote by voice so Democrats have nothing to worry about.
ray b OCT 10, 03:11 PM
what part of secret ballot is missing from your mind

you want all votes traced ? why ?

you do understand we did do that
and why it was not a good idea ?

so the rumps rampaging cops can purge the non-MAGA VOTES AND VOTERS ALSO?
Doug85GT OCT 10, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by ray b:

what part of secret ballot is missing from your mind

you want all votes traced ? why ?

you do understand we did do that
and why it was not a good idea ?

so the rumps rampaging cops can purge the non-MAGA VOTES AND VOTERS ALSO?



There is no right to a secret ballot. The Australian Ballot was implemented in the U.S. by 1891. There are four rules to the Australian Ballot:

  • an official ballot being printed at public expense,
  • on which the names of the nominated candidates of all parties and all proposals appear,
  • being distributed only at the polling place and
  • being marked in secret.


Democrats broke the 3rd rule with vote by mail. Democrats arguably broke the 4th rule with ballot harvesting where harvesters "help" people fill in their ballots when picking the ballots up. Democrats violate the 2nd rule as they try to kick their political opponents off the ballot.

If you can't play by the rules and keep trying to cheat, then it is time to change the game.
randye OCT 11, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by Doug85GT:


There is no right to a secret ballot. The Australian Ballot was implemented in the U.S. by 1891. There are four rules to the Australian Ballot:

  • an official ballot being printed at public expense,
  • on which the names of the nominated candidates of all parties and all proposals appear,
  • being distributed only at the polling place and
  • being marked in secret.


Democrats broke the 3rd rule with vote by mail. Democrats arguably broke the 4th rule with ballot harvesting where harvesters "help" people fill in their ballots when picking the ballots up. Democrats violate the 2nd rule as they try to kick their political opponents off the ballot.

If you can't play by the rules and keep trying to cheat, then it is time to change the game.
NewDustin OCT 11, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Doug85GT:

...The Australian Ballot was implemented in the U.S. by 1891....

...Democrats arguably broke the 4th rule with ballot harvesting where harvesters "help" people fill in their ballots when picking the ballots up. Democrats violate the 2nd rule as they try to kick their political opponents off the ballot.


Both of these premises for your argument are flawed. The Australian Ballot has never been implemented federally by the US. The states have all implemented a patchwork of versions of the Australian Ballot, but mail in ballots preceded their adoption, and all four of those pillars were never worked in to some of the states. It's something I appreciate, because a large part of the reason they weren't worked in absolutely was military absentee voting.

*"preceded"

[This message has been edited by NewDustin (edited 10-11-2024).]

NewDustin OCT 11, 11:54 AM
Mail in ballots generally do have unique identifiers, btw. They are generally attached to the envelop the ballot is required to be shipped in, and not the ballot itself. They use the identifiers to track the ballots prior to counting to prevent fraud.

If you are asking why there isn't a federal law more closely regulating how the states conduct their elections that's a different conversation.