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fredtoast JUN 29, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by theogre:Many have "upgraded" and all Suck and/or are Illegal for many reasons.

#1 is any Cover over HL are Illegal in many places even if some Cops and Inspectors may ignore that. If you drive in to another states or region in a state etc the Covers can be easy reason to Stop you.

Is why part of why many w/ "Munson" HL "upgrade" has problems beside light output is crap while using "DOT Legal" Bulbs. Use Search including archives.

Don't confuse w/ any type of Factory Installed "Areo" HL assemblies that Meet FMVSS and other Government Rules and "DOT" Marked showing as "approved" assembly.

Before you ask, "low" Popups have problems too and often Illegal because use Fog/Driving lamps as HL and other crap. Then often don't even install them right so Lift assembly often causes problems w/ the door.

So that's some "background..."

Repurpose OEM HL from other vehicles can have same headaches. Like light output moved to Fiero is crap as said above.

Even when have "DOT" marking because those "Codes" mean something and many can read them including Cops and Inspectors. Example: Many OEM "aero" HL assemblies have front park/turn and more features coded in the DOT/SAE marks.
some "highlights" of code meaning covered in my cave.
https://web.archive.org/web...cast.net/~fierocave/ Light bulbs
Can find more data using web search. But note that some "Recent" codes are still "buried" the SAE Doc's that is hidden by SAE Paywall and likely part of why NHTSA remove the old "posters" showing many codes for Truck/Bus Industry. (Those "posters" don't have new codes for many HL setups alone.)




Thanks for the info Ogre. From what I have seen some of the kits available did not come close to projecting enough light to drive safely at night. I can't have that with my car.

And I also plan to keep them from blinding oncoming traffic.

If I don't have either one of those problems I can 100% guarantee that I will never get pulled over for illegal headlights. Since police can always get me for speeding they don't have to resort to those tricks.

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fieroguru JUN 29, 09:26 PM
NSX headlights:


300 ZX headlights:


Celica headlights:


Sunfire headlights:


4th Gen Camaro headlights:


Grand Prix headlights:


I think these are aftermarket Rx7 or 3000GT headlights:

fredtoast JUN 29, 10:00 PM
I bow to you Fieroguru. This list is EXACTLY what I have been looking for!!

Unfortunately most of these involve major bodywork/fabrication. I am going to limit myself roughly to the area of the existing holes in my hood.

And I am afraid that many of these will not have great illumination due to the bulbs sitting back in a hole. That is fine for show cars, but my car is going to be driven all the time.

These appear to be the best option for what I want. I am anxious to see what I can find.


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Originally posted by fieroguru:

I think these are aftermarket Rx7 or 3000GT headlights:




But in the mean time I have already given up on the idea of carving lenses from existing headlights. Instead, if I can't find what I want, I will try thermoforming acrylic lenses. They would have to bulge above the hood to allow the bulbs to sit forward, but if I make the front of the lens vertical and make them match the size/shape of the square holes in the bumper directly beneath them they will look very natural.

And even if it is a complete failure I will have fun trying. This car is a toy. I am going to enjoy playing with it.

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theogre JUN 30, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by fieroguru:
Sunfire, 4th Gen Camaro and Grand Prix headlights

These "upgrade" are Illegal is many places and even ignore that because installed way too low the light output sucks when aiming is correct.

In General... HL must be between Min and Max Height + Must be Above the Bumper.

Sim Reason Part of why many "Jacked" Trucks have problems because Bumpers, HL and Taillights are too High in many places.

Many drive mostly during day and/or in cities etc where have external lights to see... Others are simple fools that don't care but "upgrade" HL look "better."
I've driven a lot out of Town at Night and bad HL for Any Reason are Beyond Sucking. Even iffy OEM setups w/ old "worn out" standard bulbs or iffy wiring making them "dim" makes driving very bad time.

Example: PA TP Northeast Ext, NY 17 5 20 Thruway, I81, and many others between cities at night w/ iffy Headlights can be Fatal because never see Deer and related until far too late.
Was way Happy when Halogen Seal Beam bulbs was available to the Public to replace the standard units even tho ~ same amps used to meet DOT and most state laws/rules. Buying $20 (Each) Halogen SB was a lot of $ many years ago but way worth the cost.

Because you often see animals Eyes in a field and light brush moving toward the road when most OEM HL Work. I lost count many years ago that fact save me so many times. Even when I've stopped, Deer can hit me because running away from something else but Way Less damage. That happen 2 times.

Note that Many Fiero years or trim levels came w/ Standard HL Bulbs Not Halogens. Many old GM vehicles still have Factory Guide non Halogen HL... Guide is part of Old GM parts division before spun off to Delphi.
cvxjet JUN 30, 01:33 AM
The 300ZX lights actually look pretty good....But I suspect would not pass safety inspections (Luckily in Calif they don't have safety inspections)

300 ZX headlights:

fredtoast JUN 30, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

The 300ZX lights actually look pretty good....But I suspect would not pass safety inspections (Luckily in Calif they don't have safety inspections)

300 ZX headlights:




These are by far the best option that looks the most "natural". They look like factory headlights.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...0421-1-068829-3.html

But that is too big of a job for me.
Dennis LaGrua JUN 30, 04:13 PM
At Carlisle there was a guy that was not happy with the frontal light output of his headlights and he did this:



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theogre JUN 30, 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:
At Carlisle there was a guy that was not happy with the frontal light output of his headlights and he did this:


Big Deal, Not... Many have "Fog" and "Driving" for Decades but Big problem is most are Garbage and blind other people.

Those are "-" because Very few Aftermarkets kits are "Dot Approved" and performance is all over the spectrum. LED units are no difference here.

Even ignore that, many states and other places have rules when you run them if even allowed to run them.
1. Low Beam HL must be On at same time.
2. Many go further and restrict only On in bad weather.

This Is why Most Factory Driving lights for 20+ years always default to Off every time the vehicle is started. Either by switch/"relay" design like many rear defog setups or control by BCM is default Off.
Cave pages have "Correct" Relay setup for them for same reason but doesn't "Reset" to Off if aux light switch is On.
Dennis LaGrua JUL 02, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by theogre:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:
At Carlisle there was a guy that was not happy with the frontal light output of his headlights and he did this:


Big Deal, Not... Many have "Fog" and "Driving" for Decades but Big problem is most are Garbage and blind other people.

Those are "-" because Very few Aftermarkets kits are "Dot Approved" and performance is all over the spectrum. LED units are no difference here.

Even ignore that, many states and other places have rules when you run them if even allowed to run them.
1. Low Beam HL must be On at same time.
2. Many go further and restrict only On in bad weather.

This Is why Most Factory Driving lights for 20+ years always default to Off every time the vehicle is started. Either by switch/"relay" design like many rear defog setups or control by BCM is default Off.
Cave pages have "Correct" Relay setup for them for same reason but doesn't "Reset" to Off if aux light switch is On.[/QUOTE]

You worry too much about government bureaucrats on things that are seldom if ever challenged on a custom vehicle. In my state they don't ever inspect cars over 25 years old or those registered as special interest vehicles. If you ask m,e more light upfront makes a car safer not less safe.

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" THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, custom ZZP /Frozen Boost Intercooler setup, 3.4" Pulley, Northstar TB, LS1 MAF, 3" Spintech/Hedman Exhaust, P-log Manifold, Autolite 104's, MSD wires, Custom CAI, 4T65eHD w. custom axles, Champion Radiator, S10 Brake Booster, HP Tuners VCM Suite.
"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
" ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "

fredtoast JUL 02, 06:15 PM
If I had a show car that I did not drive at night I would not care if the lights were functional or not. A lot of guys are in that situation. They just want the car to look unique, and that is fine.

However, I am going to be driving my car a lot. I don't really care about regulations, but I do care about my ability to see and drive safely. Blinding oncoming traffic is just as dangerous as not being able to see the road yourself.

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