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jelly2m8 MAR 31, 03:23 AM

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Originally posted by theogre:
I & others work in Automotive, Tech & Electronics





I didn't think I would ever have to question you, because you have alot of valuable knowledge, but there is absolutely no f**cking way your still in the industry and still believe 30 year old and older technology ( and I AM being generous) Even compares to modern lighting and braking.


Time and technology has passed you by.
jelly2m8 MAR 31, 03:29 AM

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Originally posted by 87GT3800SC5SPD:
The nice thing about Fiero headlights is that, if you don't like how they look, they are only visible when you turn them on.

As far as being legal or not, I feel the same way about my 3800 conversion that is way less polluting than the original 2.8, but it is illegal in California where I don't live.



Exactly, we have more efficient and less polluting engines, some of us better braking, better lighting etc, a better and safer car. Do not let old bitches stuck in their way's hold you back.
87GT3800SC5SPD MAR 31, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by jelly2m8:

Exactly, we have more efficient and less polluting engines, some of us better braking, better lighting etc, a better and safer car. Do not let old bitches stuck in their way's hold you back.




I have owned the Fiero I have now for more than 26 years. Twenty five years ago, after my first track day, the brakes were updated, followed by 2" drop spindles in front, bump steer correction in the rear and carefully selected springs on both ends. My car has the weight distribution and handling characteristics of a shifter cart. The 3800 SC with 12 miles on it, came in 2003 and still runs as well as it did when first fired up. I could buy a much more expensive car, but would not find a car that's more fun to drive. I didn't ask any government agencies for permission to make my car more efficient or safer to drive. Neither have I been told by and government agency that my car is illegal in any way.

To keep up with change and technology should be encouraged and shared, not shunned and belittled. I'm not willing to be that person with the dim, yellowish headlights that are more dim than my parking lights. Seeing and being seen is too important to be stuck with 1930's technology. Buying a new car is not the answer, as new cars have headlights that are often worthless after 5 years and unavailable to replace by the ten year mark, along with the many recalls on thousands of new vehicles.

When your car is 3" off the ground, you notice headlights that are poorly aimed, especially new cars with government approved brighter LED headlights. Most people are car owners who view their cars as a tool to avoid walking, biking or using public transportation, not car enthusiasts. Some say, they don't like to drive at night, but have no clue that, on their new modern car, one headlight is burning a hole into the road 10 feet ahead of them and the other is examining power and communication wires along the road. Enthusiasts are interested in fixing and improving, taking an active role in car ownership, keeping up with technology and describe their responsibility in its operation as driving, not riding.

For those who are restoring or keeping your Fiero in original condition, I applaud you and the important work you are doing to maintain the legacy Fiero models. To those who are just discovering a Fiero, you have begun a fun adventure where you can learn a lot, enjoy your accomplishment and have a great and safe driving experience.

I am old, but not a "***** ". I have never been one to be held back, intimidated or insulted by those who may think I am clueless. My mother taught me to not be rude or arrogant.

I learned a long time ago that, the only difference between a rut and a grave, is how long you are in it.

theogre APR 02, 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by jelly2m8:
I didn't think I would ever have to question you, because you have alot of valuable knowledge, but there is absolutely no f**cking way your still in the industry and still believe 30 year old and older technology ( and I AM being generous) Even compares to modern lighting and braking.

Time and technology has passed you by.

100% Wrong about my work & 95+% on everything else Because You & others Ignore or Refuse that Most LED "Upgrade" and HID "Upgrades" before them Are Complete BS & keep clinging to the Hype Machine sucking down Koolaid. You can't even read IIHS & others proving many Car Brand Factory Installed "Modern" HL simply Suck but still clinging to Modern is Better.

While Can Get LED HL that are "DOT Legal" for US and "ECE Legal" for EU/UK/etc That Meets all rules in those Markets like units from Truck-lite but many barf when seeing the price... For U.S., T-L # 27450C is still sold but Discontinued. 37450C replace it. 37455C is same but added heating to front. Yes, LED HL often Need Front Heating so Weather won't Freeze during Driving. Expect to spend $300-400 per set. Why Don't want them because: 1. High $ & Too Short Warranty & easy for them to void it. 2. Fiero is simply not used enough to justify the High $ even if last years. 3. Even when 37450C uses way less power "To Save the Planet" or "just save problems in old wiring," the Halogens uses 0 power because there Off > 90+% of driving & I already fixed/replace HL wiring issues. 4. I have 2016 SUV to drive any distance & get same or better MPG then most Fiero doing same drives.

But Most see the Crap sold online costing a lot less & 90+% of the public have No Clue Why or simply Do Not Care & want any Cheap Crap. Fact: Amacon Eflay are Flooded With Scam HL & other "Upgrades" & millions of other things & Counterfeit products too by ignoring Trademark etc raking in Billions of $ & Hind Behind Section 230. Now add many get worse crap from Wish, AliEx, Banggood, Temu (Last 3 are China Co's that doesn't even hide the counterfeiting & other problems.) & still don't care & wonder why the junk has chemicals that burn or poisoning them/kids/pets, have car problems, house is on fire because Crap LiIon battery, etc, etc...

Before more fools claim I hate LiIon too, Wrong. I own/use a lot of LiIon powered stuff like 50+ Ryobi One+ Tools and use Ryobi batteries not "knock-offs" god known where/how their made.

Many love the EU/UK light rules But here more Calling BS on your claims...
Old but still true about HID showing MOT Fail and before MOT rule change, Illegal HID conversion kits explained - Auto Express https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5n38wDe684
Newer covering HID & LED in Halogen Shells will Fail MOT just 2 years ago, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REv6xjVlypA

Since you when there... You have Same problem for most "Brake Upgrade" for old cars. Bet you love "Lift Kits" for Truck claim boost cargo ignoring GVWR & more... In the Real World your "Modern Braking Upgrading" plans/claims for any old car not just Fiero are a Myth @ Best. This Requires ABS & More that Most Modern Cars Actually Have. Yet "Experts" claim can bolt on/in any Brake "upgrade" to old cars brakes like Big Booster crap is = the same are Only Fooling Yourself. Or Some Store pushes Same BS to get more $ like TFS have been doing for 20+ years w/ GA "upgrade."

You & others what "Modern Vehicle" brakes yet Ignore or Too Dumb to know the facts that ABS, Traction Control, etc, often Breaks & when does, Brake System often performs in "Weird ways" but often you only find out when try to stop on slippery roads or Panic Stop & ABS Does Nothing & spin out or kill someone. ABS & other Warning Lights often don't Light for many reasons or ignored because Replacing ABS "hyrdo black boxes" can cost Hundreds to $1000+ just for that 1 part. Even "just" 1 Tone Sensor to a wheel can be a very expensive part then add labor to install. I have Own Driven & Service enough "modern vehicles" to see the problems first hand & also see many owners junked or sell cheap because of bad ABS alone. I doubt most here never looked @ Labor Rates @ most shops now. In my area many small shops > $100/hr, Many others are > $200/hr. EV Dealers are even Higher if can even book a job. Expect to wait Months to get Recall or any Work from most dealers of any type too.
1985 Fiero GT APR 02, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by theogre:

[QUOTE]100% Wrong about my work & 95+% on everything else [b]Because You & others Ignore or Refuse that Most LED "Upgrade" and HID "Upgrades" before them Are Complete BS & keep clinging to the Hype Machine sucking down Koolaid. You can't even read IIHS & others proving many Car Brand Factory Installed "Modern" HL simply Suck but still clinging to Modern is Better.

While Can Get LED HL that are "DOT Legal" for US and "ECE Legal" for EU/UK/etc That Meets all rules in those Markets like units from Truck-lite but many barf when seeing the price... For U.S., T-L # 27450C is still sold but Discontinued. 37450C replace it. 37455C is same but added heating to front. Yes, LED HL often Need Front Heating so Weather won't Freeze during Driving. Expect to spend $300-400 per set. Why Don't want them because: 1. High $ & Too Short Warranty & easy for them to void it. 2. Fiero is simply not used enough to justify the High $ even if last years. 3. Even when 37450C uses way less power "To Save the Planet" or "just save problems in old wiring," the Halogens uses 0 power because there Off > 90+% of driving & I already fixed/replace HL wiring issues. 4. I have 2016 SUV to drive any distance & get same or better MPG then most Fiero doing same drives.

But Most see the Crap sold online costing a lot less & 90+% of the public have No Clue Why or simply Do Not Care & want any Cheap Crap. Fact: Amacon Eflay are Flooded With Scam HL & other "Upgrades" & millions of other things & Counterfeit products too by ignoring Trademark etc raking in Billions of $ & Hind Behind Section 230. Now add many get worse crap from Wish, AliEx, Banggood, Temu (Last 3 are China Co's that doesn't even hide the counterfeiting & other problems.) & still don't care & wonder why the junk has chemicals that burn or poisoning them/kids/pets, have car problems, house is on fire because Crap LiIon battery, etc, etc...

Before more fools claim I hate LiIon too, Wrong. I own/use a lot of LiIon powered stuff like 50+ Ryobi One+ Tools and use Ryobi batteries not "knock-offs" god known where/how their made.

Many love the EU/UK light rules But here more Calling BS on your claims...
Old but still true about HID showing MOT Fail and before MOT rule change, Illegal HID conversion kits explained - Auto Express https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5n38wDe684
Newer covering HID & LED in Halogen Shells will Fail MOT just 2 years ago, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REv6xjVlypA

Since you when there... You have Same problem for most "Brake Upgrade" for old cars. Bet you love "Lift Kits" for Truck claim boost cargo ignoring GVWR & more... In the Real World your "Modern Braking Upgrading" plans/claims for any old car not just Fiero are a Myth @ Best. This Requires ABS & More that Most Modern Cars Actually Have. Yet "Experts" claim can bolt on/in any Brake "upgrade" to old cars brakes like Big Booster crap is = the same are Only Fooling Yourself. Or Some Store pushes Same BS to get more $ like TFS have been doing for 20+ years w/ GA "upgrade."

You & others what "Modern Vehicle" brakes yet Ignore or Too Dumb to know the facts that ABS, Traction Control, etc, often Breaks & when does, Brake System often performs in "Weird ways" but often you only find out when try to stop on slippery roads or Panic Stop & ABS Does Nothing & spin out or kill someone. ABS & other Warning Lights often don't Light for many reasons or ignored because Replacing ABS "hyrdo black boxes" can cost Hundreds to $1000+ just for that 1 part. Even "just" 1 Tone Sensor to a wheel can be a very expensive part then add labor to install. I have Own Driven & Service enough "modern vehicles" to see the problems first hand & also see many owners junked or sell cheap because of bad ABS alone. I doubt most here never looked @ Labor Rates @ most shops now. In my area many small shops > $100/hr, Many others are > $200/hr. EV Dealers are even Higher if can even book a job. Expect to wait Months to get Recall or any Work from most dealers of any type too.



As far as I know, the Fiero store has removed the ga upgrade and the big booster. Also, like I said before, the Fieros halogen headlights are not bad, compare them to basically every vehicle from the 80s to the 2010s with the "shaped" headlights with separate bulbs, and you'll find the Fiero has better beam pattern, better light, better everything. A Fiero with good wiring, and new halogen bulbs will be all you need, period. They may already dim in brightly lit cities, but that's because the road is already lit up. The only place LEDs would be better is back country roads where you need to see the woods on either side, and the road for the next km, to keep away from moose. The race for the brightest lights is like when you have a restaurant, and the volume just keeps getting louder and louder, you can't see your lights over the other people brighter lights.
theogre APR 02, 01:09 PM
I have Philips High Vis Halogen lights... Better then OE Halogen that used 35W/50W but doesn't pulls amps as "silverstar" level. Philips stopped making all SB since.
They light well on highways etc w/o any "help" from street lights etc. Works as well or better then many "modern vehicles" of any "bulb" type.
Some "modern vehicles" have Tunnel Vision when drive on dark roads to the point you never see many deer etc until you hit them running across a road. A "problem" DOT expected decades ago as even many Cities had dark roads & "old SB" allow you to see a wide area w/o blinding other driver at same time.

ECE "Dipped beam" is similar but more obvious w/ shape edge cutoff. ECE allow for Left Drive & Right Drive so have correct "Dipped Beam" pattern or "Flat" pattern for Trucks etc that have to "Cross the Channel" a lot. Tuck-lite offered all 3 w/ note how to read SAE arrow codes but discontinued or move to another site. USDOT has allow the same cutoff for 10+ years now but limits Power use by Halogens. IOW 9003 & others have same max limits as H6054 & related & many "silverstar" class SB just use one of those bulb w/ maybe minor changes to LB mask.

Note that "Brighter" "Hotter" Light output is often irrelevant to "Bulb" Type. "SilverStar" & related Halogens often had Color Temp same or close to HID or LED @ 4000 to 5000°K. Just both uses less power to make same output.

While most worry about Power Used as in say 50W low 60W high beams w/ Halogens as performance level & setting a limit, FMVSS 108 & more also Lux/lumins/etc to measure actual output & not only from HL. Means "Legal" LED HID or Halogen may not have one a lot brighter then the others when are on a "level playing field." Problem is a lot of that sections of rules are hidden by Paywalls @ SAE & others. Is Why Many are Suing to Force Publish any Paywall doc written into Rules & Laws. So can "read" the Full Text of FMVSS & many Local Rules/Laws like Building Fire & Electrical Codes.

Most comparing "bulbs" even right next to each other on a bench or on a vehicle are often Lying saying X is better. Some don't even know their "lying" but a lot very well know that is complete BS, more so when you see a dim/yellow bulb as the "bad bulb." Many "Bad Bulb" example are under powered & on purpose, "normal" Tungsten not Halogen, OEM Halogen that run lower Watts, etc.

LED units like truck-lite & even illegal one that replace H6054 is only one part of the issue...
Video links only skims the surface of problems of other "upgrade" like putting HID or LED in Any Shell made for Halogen "bulbs."

Many w/ just basic Optic history can quickly see why has big problems w/o even taking apart hardware.
Other can test this w/ some reflective bowl(s) and small light like Mini Maglight w/ lens assembly remove to expose the bulb. That act as a Good & Bad Halogen bulb. First spot you like is the "good" focus point. Any other act like defecting bulb because guts are damage or made wrong or bulb is installed wrong or damage the base/socket in some way.

You have worse problem w/ HID or LED in the focus dept & why Fail optical test then add all other problems stuffing LEDs in small holes then trying to cool them w/ whatever fins, fans, etc. on the back. Big Clive on YT & many others shows thermal damage often happens using LED "upgrades" w/ them. Fans have huge problems just look @ most PC & Laptops but in cars fans suck in road dirt/oil & worse. Or Fan bearing fry because small fan running fast.

If TFS remove the Brake "Upgrade" now is because Likely can't get parts cores to make them. Just last year or bit farther back was still push that crap. Or maybe their Lawyers finally seen it. Still have have other things iffy to illegal... Many items in light/lenses section like "repop" side marking made wrong & let crap in to rot the bulb & socket & doesn't have DOT/SAE codes so is illegal in several ways & even you don't care about that still crap product but many claim "GM Approved" by TFS sold under GM License for many years if not still paying GM Sh-- load of $ now. I'm not digging thru the site to see.
82-T/A [At Work] APR 02, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by 1985 Fiero GT:

Yeah there are a lot of rules to look into when making changes, along with how fussy the police in your area are, where I live, you are actually allowed to make necessary modifications on an older vehicle ...




Where I live... you can pull a car out of the woods that's not even yours, cut the roof off, and get it registered and insured all in the same week.

Ask me how I know... (I was 20): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHMkg8o345U
theogre APR 02, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Where I live... you can pull a car out of the woods that's not even yours, cut the roof off, and get it registered and insured all in the same week.

Move near even many small town or worse in an areas under HOA control will try to stop that fast even in Fl.

Even the County here has Code Enforcement that will ticket or impound a car parked on grass & more. Dead/Parts Car to Tagged Car but rarely driven must be park on Pavement & Covered 24/7 in Unincorporated areas.
82-T/A [At Work] APR 02, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by theogre:

Move near even many small town or worse in an areas under HOA control will try to stop that fast even in Fl.

Even the County here has Code Enforcement that will ticket or impound a car parked on grass & more. Dead/Parts Car to Tagged Car but rarely driven must be park on Pavement & Covered 24/7 in Unincorporated areas.




Hahah... Ogre... we had that parked in front of my friend's house. I didn't own a house at the time, though I ended up buying a house in that neighborhood. They are million-dollar homes now, but the HOA in that neighborhood has no authority on things like that. The city codes only enforce the condition of the home. Parking on the grass (swale) is acceptable, and as long as the car has a valid plate, and the tires aren't flat, and the grass is mowed... there's nothing in the statutes or regulations.

But you can be sure... I'd never be caught dead with that car in front of my house.

We eventually parked it in the backyard of this guy who was complertely blind. It was stolen from his backyard, and when we asked him what happened, he said... "I don't know, I didn't see anything." Sigh...

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jelly2m8 APR 08, 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by theogre:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jelly2m8:
100% Wrong about my work & 95+% on everything else Because You & others Ignore or Refuse that Most LED "Upgrade" and HID "Upgrades" before them Are Complete BS & keep clinging to the Hype Machine sucking down Koolaid. You can't even read IIHS & others proving many Car Brand Factory Installed "Modern" HL simply Suck but still clinging to Modern is Better.



No ***** , grow the hell up, cars are overall better these days. YOU refuse to understand this and belittle everyone that want's to make their Fiero better than it was 40 years ago.

Someone is amiss that DOT rules from 40 years ago are not compliant by todays standards. I Mean yeah they are cause that's one part of history they have not changed yet, but bringing an 80's vehicle into the market will not pass regulations today.

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