Completely new fuel injection system computer? (Page 5/8)
woodyhere DEC 24, 06:07 PM
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fierosound DEC 25, 11:14 AM
If you believe FAST's "ad copy", THEORETICALLY, you should be able to run the EZ-EFI on ANY SIZE ENGINE and
the ECU should compensate properly. But in 8 months, I've never found any website with EZ-EFI installed on a V6 or 4-cylinder engine.

EZ-EFI has 4-injectors (1 per throat) and EZ-EFI 2.0 has 8-injectors (2 per throat).
Before the 2.0, people would have to install 2 EZ throttle bodies on BB's or engines producing more than 550hp.

I got the 2-injector EZ-EFI Jeep kit for my Indy's SD4 (should be good to about 300hp).
The ECU is running only fuel for the TB. The timing is completely mechanical (as with carb)
http://www.fuelairspark.com...l-w-o-fuel-pumphtml/

The only way I can get it to even run now is to lie to the ECU and tell it I have the 4-injector TB (halving the fuel)
My problem is NOT unique. Many who ran into problems say they gave up and put their carb back on.
FAST and the "experts" have gone strangely SILENT now. Guess I used up my "tech support"??

Physically, the FAST TB is the only one that fits the engine bay with my SD4 (because of trunk wall and low decklid),
so unfortunately I can't just go to an MSD, Holley or Edelbrock EFI throttle body.

The only solution may be to buy another FAST product to use with the TB I have.
http://www.fuelairspark.com...unable-xfi-sportsman

I don't know if I want to spend that kind of money (again).

Tony B.

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fierosound JUL 24, 09:26 AM
Update:

I have the Indy SD4 running the FAST EZ-EFI throttle body with the 1227165 ECM utilizing the NVRAM and hacked $12P code (Holden)
None of the problems I was having with FAST's ECU that their technicians attributed to "must be an exhaust leak" or "sounds like interference".

I now have some fine tuning to do.

1227165 ECM $30-50
NVRAM $150
TunerPro RT $40
BIN files etc - FREE
WBO2 http://www.14point7.com/pages/products

About this ECM: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/119333.html

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ericjon262 JUL 24, 10:31 AM
I'm not surprised in the least.
sardonyx247 JUL 25, 12:38 PM
7730 is $30, you want to spend $1000.
stock ECMs "autotune" and ALL ECMs only tune fuel, they will not tune spark, they only pull timing if knock is dectected, thats it.
You are saying it will do all of this, as there ad says, don't believe it.
a GM ECM has far more options than stand alones. GM spent million$ on each ECM, you think any stand alone company spent a million on thiers?
Stand alone units are the most basic of basic, childs play in comparison.
Stand alone units are for "my car didn't come with an ECM, what can I add"
and then you get the hacked GM ECMs and they just KILL the stand alone units.


oh and BTW it won't even work, we have low impedance injectors.
Dennis LaGrua JUL 26, 08:28 AM
I could never understand the fascination with aftermarket ECM's when the stock GM ECM's are tunable, can do engine management, can shift an automatic transmission, while also providing diagnostics. I can buy a used working OEM GM ECM/PCM for $50.00. The aftermarket units cost $1000 and don't offer the potential for any additional horsepower. You can do what you want with your money but there are guys on this forum that have done complete engine swaps for just a bit more than the cost of that FAST unit. Is this money well spent??

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fierosound JUL 26, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by sardonyx247:

...and then you get the hacked GM ECMs and they just KILL the stand alone units.




Agreed.

I will say I am very happy with the FAST Throttle Body as a replacement for the 4-bbl carb and it's working well with the GM 1227165 ECM running the hacked $12P code. I found an experienced EFI tuner and TunerPro user who's working with me now to get this working 100%. Going for a drive to record a Datalog with the 3rd update to the BIN file today (better each time)

It was just FAST's ECU that didn't like something about my engine - though it started out "textbook fine". It may have been "outside the envelope" of what it could self-tune for. There ARE thousands who install the thing and have no problem at all. Some of these characters install it without even looking at manual and have no problems, while I followed the instructions to the letter and got nothing but grief. I got tired of their technicians and even the "experts" saying "must be interference". That's as useful as saying the car is haunted!

The 7165 ECM will be superior as I now have knock sensor capability and timing control back as well.
FAST EZ-EFI was fuel control only with the springs/weights/vacuum HEI distributor from when I ran the carburetor.

Now that I'm near a happy conclusion, I can share the whole sad story I started LAST summer here:
(almost the MOST viewed thread on the site - I wonder if they lost sales because of it)
http://www.cpgnation.com/fo...day-not-today.22587/

Even better, I built a MPFI system for the SD4 and running it with the 7165 ECM and TunerPro.

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82-T/A [At Work] JUL 27, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:

I could never understand the fascination with aftermarket ECM's when the stock GM ECM's are tunable, can do engine management, can shift an automatic transmission, while also providing diagnostics. I can buy a used working OEM GM ECM/PCM for $50.00. The aftermarket units cost $1000 and don't offer the potential for any additional horsepower. You can do what you want with your money but there are guys on this forum that have done complete engine swaps for just a bit more than the cost of that FAST unit. Is this money well spent??





Since I'm the one who started this post a while back, I might as well respond to this.

For a lot of people, it all has to do with time / effort. What you say above sounds very simple... but I know that tuning an old-ass GM ECM with OBD1 isn't as simple (in most cases) as hooking up a PCM reader and setting a couple of flags and away you go. It takes removing the EPROM, putting it on a burner, going through, and going back and forth trying to determine the specific differences in your configuration so that it works well. In most cases, it probably requires a dyno, or at the very least... logging your variables while you're driving so that you can figure out what you need to change the next time you reflash that EPROM. It's a pain in the ass...

the FAST system actually does work for the applications it was originally intended for (V8s), and you drop one of those on, and magically it takes care of everything. You literally set a couple of flags, and you have effortless tuning that forever works.


As for cost vs performance... I want something that looks and is a little bit faster than it did when I bought it, but I want it to be reliable, and not have to function off 30 year old technology. A Fiero that ran mid 14s and looks 99% stock is all I need / want. I've had / have plenty of other cars that are much faster.

I am really at the point in my life that I just don't have time with work / family to sit down and spend hours working on something like ECM tuning. I've got projects with my kids, work, home renovations, etc. I don't even mow my own lawn anymore because I just don't have the time to do it. That was something I always told myself I'd do myself... I never thought I would hire a landscaper.


So, it's all relative.
PaulJK JUL 27, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

Anyway, just curious...




Just my free advice but i would absolutely not spend money on the 2.8. Upgrade to a 3.4, enjoy it, and save money for an engine upgrade.

There's a Really Nice 3800SC GT in the Mall right now for $5500.

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82-T/A [At Work] JUL 27, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by PaulJK:

Just my free advice but i would absolutely not spend money on the 2.8. Upgrade to a 3.4, enjoy it, and save money for an engine upgrade.

There's a Really Nice 3800SC GT in the Mall right now for $5500.





Haha... thanks Paul, I really do appreciate it, but as I just got through saying... there are many of us who aren't interested in all-out speed / performance. We just want a well-running / well restored vehicle. My 87 Fiero was my first car. I've already rebuilt the 2.8 into a 3.2 (.040 overbore pistons, 3.1 crank and rods etc... etc...). Before I put it in storage, I was 75% of the way through converting it to a manual (the only thing I HADN'T done, was actually install the transmission).

I want the car to run / drive with the same kind of characteristics as it did when I first bought it in 1995 and it had 52k miles on it. It ran really well. I could spend a ton of time and money trying to refurb and remanufacture every component on the car, and for the most part, I've been doing that... http://www.pontiacperforman...et/car87FieroSE.html

But I really want a system that I can just get in the car and go. But like I said a few times, I'm at the point in my life where I barely have the time to spend 5 minutes in the garage anymore. So burning EPROMs and spending a ton of time logging and tuning the chip just so it runs right... that's not something I really want. I want to be able to get in and go, and enjoy it. It's not about the money, it's about trying to relive my teenage years... minus the constant breaking down, and having 5 cents in my checking account.

For performance, I've got an LS1 swap into a 944 planned.

Or... I'll find something to do with this Olds 455 big block that I spent a ton of money on and still don't have a car to put it in.