OEM V6 Distributor: Any Options to Reduce Corrosion / Oxidization on the POLE PIECE? (Page 5/6)
ArthurPeale JUN 06, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by reinhart:


I'll take that as a "No" to my question:

"So again. Any proof your cute little gizmo works or is entirely based on your narcisistic belief that you're smarter than 100 GM engineers?"

Look on the bright side, although useless, you do have the cutest Fiero distributor around.




READ THE ROOM. You started out as antagonistic. Not inquisitive - rude. You're getting pushback because...like Patrick said, whatever's eating you...stop it.
ArthurPeale JUN 06, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by pmbrunelle:

Branching off to the "hundreds of engineers" comment, I doubt that it took hundreds of people to decide upon a cooling method for the Fiero distributor.




Also, to add to this - that was nearly 40 years ago. There have been many changes in the last 40 years. We work on things, figure them out, see what works and what does not.

To think that those exact, specific things can't be improved upon...I don't even know where to go with that.

I mean, to use that reasoning, we hit the pinnacle of mechanical evolution at a certain point AND SHOULD NOT CONTINUE RESEARCHING BECAUSE WE ARE DONE THE ENGINEERS SAID SO
Patrick JUN 06, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by sanderson231:

There is a product called Evap-O-Rust that is incredible for rust removal. Remove the loose rust, soak it overnight and you will have bare metal in the morning. Fantastic on rusty tools as well. It is a chelating solution and not an acid solution. It solubilizes iron oxide and does not touch the base metal.



I read some reviews on Evapo-Rust®. Sounds like it's definitely worthwhile trying on iron/steel items. Is there anything comparable to use on aluminum?
reinhart JUN 07, 05:30 AM
Not really concerned about "the room". Would rather educate anyone looking at this foolishness and thinking this is a good idea, to actually use reason and think. A lot of new owners might actually look at this silly thing and waste time and energy on a useless little decoration. If that makes Patrick or Nut get his knickers in a twist not really my concern. Patrick at this point is married to his "genius" heatsink idea and will go to the grave crying its merits whether there are any or not. Nothing will change his mind. Any challenge of his "idea" is seen as a challenge to his intellect. Rather than keep an open mind, he's decided this is the only way it will be. I am open to the idea that even though it likely does absolutely nothing positive, IF someone did post some empirical evidence (before and after internal heat sensor data for instance), I would be open to changing my mind. At this point though the burden of proof is on those that think their cute little setup actually does anything positive when GM didn't think it would help.

Regarding Dennis' comment that because one guy who didn't even disclose how many miles the original OEM module lasted vs how many miles the cute little setup has been operating at means it's an entirely useless datapoint. Again, I have a 40 year old IM in one of the hottest climates in the US that is still going strong without any cute seat of the pants heatsink add on. So I guess the OEM solution is superior using that logic.

I'm all for keeping an open mind, but when it defies all logic (reread my previous post) and what GM engineers thought made sense, I look at it with skepticism. No one has offered a shred of empirical evidence that this does anything yet we're supposed to just say wow you're a genius for doing this? Sorry ain't gonna happen for those of us what have any critical reasoning ability and know the slightest bit about physics and thermodynamics.

Regarding the number of engineers, I was including all the engineers that worked on various GM models and engines with distributors preceding and including the Fiero. The same engine has been in what 15 different cars for instance. While I agree they're not perfect, often for them it's a tradeoff between quality and cost. In this case though the heatsink was literally a 25c part and IM failures would be a huge hit to reliability and warranty payouts. So I feel safe saying if it did anything to mitigate those two issues it would undoubtedly have been used.

Many of the "improvements" the Fiero community has done have largely been to add things that while GM likely knew would be better, would have been too expensive to implement given the improvement. GM did have a price point to make so yea $500 big brake upgrades as standard are a tough sell even though they're an improvement. But this is NOT comparable to the 25c heatsink.

While I don't bow down to the infallibilty of GM engineers, I do think it's a good starting point to ask oneself why didn't engineers do something when they clearly knew about it and it was almost free to do so.

[This message has been edited by reinhart (edited 06-07-2023).]

ArthurPeale JUN 07, 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

I read some reviews on Evapo-Rust®. Sounds like it's definitely worthwhile trying on iron/steel items. Is there anything comparable to use on aluminum?



Evaporust is amazing stuff. I was dubious until I tried it.

There's a similar powdered product available overseas, but not available in the US. Can't remember what it's called, the YouTube channel RRC uses it a lot.
Patrick JUN 07, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by reinhart:

If that makes Patrick or Nut get his knickers in a twist not really my concern.



The only person in this thread with their "knickers in a twist" is you.

Does Cliff Pennock need to call you out again, two days in a row. (Yes, I noticed you edited/cleaned up your post immediately preceding Cliff's.)

As mentioned earlier, go deal with whatever is actually bothering you.
reinhart JUN 09, 05:15 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

The only person in this thread with their "knickers in a twist" is you.

Does Cliff Pennock need to call you out again, two days in a row. (Yes, I noticed you edited/cleaned up your post immediately preceding Cliff's.)

As mentioned earlier, go deal with whatever is actually bothering you.



Out of respect for Cliff I removed a word that he feels is insulting to certain members. Personally I don't think it is a big deal nor do I think 95% of people would if we ask them...but I respect Cliff's opinion. It didn't change anything about the nature or character of my post and I stand completely by the facts I have said in this thread. Of course you love side skirting the issue and going after totally irrelevant rabbit trails to keep us off the scent of the main trail which leads to your useless distributor monstrosity which you can't back up with a shred of science or data.

I still think you need to figure out why you can't disassociate your cute little distributor from yourself. Attacking a dumb idea isn't the same as attacking a person. But you're so ingrained and married to your silly little anti-science thing and you're unfounded belief it is actually doing something that anyone that asks for proof gets you worked into a tizzy.

Perhaps you should consider starting a blind faith religion called the "Cute Distributor Adherents"? I know you already converted one disciple in this thread.
fierosound JUN 09, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Vintage-Nut:

I’m servicing the OEM V6 Distributor and the stationary pole piece (the six ‘fingers’) was extremely oxidized with a mound of ‘rust’ in the bottom of the distributor housing.

With the part cleaned, I was wondering if there is a ‘better way’ to protect or diminish the decay than ‘bare metal’.

You guys know way more than I ever will learn and wanted to hear from the forum before going forward….



After cleaning up the distributor, soak it down with WD40.
Shake off the excess and then install it.

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Vintage-Nut JUN 09, 12:42 PM
I painted the pole piece and the top of the new main shaft (except the tight clearance areas) plus new pickup coil, ICM and screws, distributor cap, rotor as well an O-ring and YES; it's running 'beautifully'
ArthurPeale JUN 09, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by reinhart:

I still think you need to figure out why you can't disassociate your cute little distributor from yourself. Attacking a dumb idea isn't the same as attacking a person. But you're so ingrained and married to your silly little anti-science thing and you're unfounded belief it is actually doing something that anyone that asks for proof gets you worked into a tizzy.



No, it's because you're being quite rude about it.

There are many ways to impart information - yet, you've chosen one that's getting you the stinkeye.