Duke thermostat gaskets (Page 1/3)
fierosound SEP 18, 11:49 AM
Starting this post because this has been an ongoing problem for years....

Most Auto Parts places sell you this gasket for the thermostat housing.
This full flange gasket is almost useless when you need the ring type.
The circled area is usual point of failure because there is barely any seal there.

The Ring type seems to no longer exist (discontinued?).
But there must be a good alternative.



The paper gasket shown is for the housing with a flat face.




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fierosound SEP 18, 11:50 AM
The Ogre from another thread...


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Originally posted by theogre:

⚠️ Warning:
There are 2 T-stat housing for Fiero L4. Maybe more but Actually seen and have two types.

Simple Three hole Gasket above are for old type w/ the flange is totally flat where meets engine. This type has thin sheet metal flange w/ edges rolled 90° "up."
This Gasket Must Not be used w/ T-stat came w/ a "rubber" seal in Groove in the Flange.

Later "update" version has thick flat stamp steel flange and use the "rubber" seal. I don't know exactly what year first came w/ it but If it is in 84--- Very Likely the whole engine was replace under warranty/recall.

I don't think RA or any others have a seal for updated T-stat pipe.
Example: FEL-PRO 35342 "O-ring"
O-Ring Thickness (in) 0.1
O-Ring Outside Diameter (in) 1.725
O-Ring Inside Diameter (in) 1.5249
And maybe too thin even if others are correct.

I had to make a gasket.
Made of thick cork (⅛/0.125 inch I think. not digging it out to post now.) Permatex made for custom caskets to fill up most of the gap and coat w/ RTV and Wait a few of Days to cure completely before fill the system.
This before "glueing" both sides.


Yes, I know don't use RTV w/ nearly all gaskets. Problem is 2 fold... The Thick cork barely or don't compress and trying to fill big gap w/ RTV alone won't take 15+ PSI Coolant very long either.
Between the 2 and allowing RTV to completely cure is been 6+ Years and still seals.

RTV takes Hours to Days to cure. Curing Is Not Drying. Dry RTV w/o time to cure has cause huge problems to people using them.

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fierosound SEP 18, 11:56 AM
Maybe this is why we can't find a gasket.
Found this online regarding this PN for the thermostat housing I found in P22 Parts Book.




The P22 Parts Book lists a seal PN 3049485 for 84-85 Duke E/Z Fill Thermostat housing.
On eBay - https://www.ebay.com/p/656503295

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edfiero SEP 18, 12:25 PM
Pretty sure I am not using a gasket there. I used RTV if memory serves correctly.
theogre SEP 18, 01:28 PM
Dug thru old pic's... (2014 when fix mine w/ DIY "gasket.")

Here are both types w/ old "rubber" on update one...

Another angle of the update one...


If you have the old style one, many have bent flanges. Likely related to long hose pulling on it, worse if you have crap dog bone and/or motor/trans mounts.
If you bend it flat, only warps again for same reasons and likely easier as bending weaken it. Above old type was warped then flatten and didn't install for this reason.

Might find gm 10038440 ACDelco 15-80794 but is whole thing and cost ~ 30 - 40 often more.
Many claim has X old part but out of stock on page or at checkout.

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fierosound SEP 18, 02:40 PM
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theogre SEP 18, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by fierosound:
"Old style" looks like it has a groove for the O-ring seal - the part listed in P22 Book.
Felpro just decided to make a flat flange gasket.

No. The "goove" in the old style is just extra metal for a seem where tube joints to the base flange. Or seem for part holding inner tube. Don't have pic of other side area and can't find the part now.
"Paper" gasket from FelPro et al seals the whole flange area to try to eveny load on the part and bolts. Same setup used by many OEMs not just GM.

P22 and OEM often don't match what in installed at the factory.
Most people only have crappy pirate scanned copy P22 often sold as CD years ago. That 84-86 Duke Head shows # 61 T-stat Housing w/ new style PN 10038440 retain by 2 bolts and #28 "Sealant, Silicone RTV" w/o PN likely is the new "o-ring."
If GM have older version of P22 likely had 61 old T-stat pipe # and 28 w/ a gasket #. Or GM may not bother w/ a gasket like did w/ many Duke valve cover gaskets.
87-88 head list is about the same but no "extra" number from a gasket #. So I guess 87 started the new style.

Many RWD and FWD dukes old type flange w/o a problem most times. But If they have crap dog bone and/or engine/trans mounts then can have same problem.
Example: People sold me the Fiero also had FWD Olds w/ same engine had broken dog bone mount and wreck PS Pump and more. Told them to donate or junk it because can't fix damage themselves or spend a lot more money.

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fierosound SEP 18, 05:02 PM
n/m

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fierosound SEP 24, 11:39 PM
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theogre SEP 25, 12:12 AM
So order it and try one...
This part is mail-able so for once doesn't force $8 or more shipping on part cost < $1 and weighs a few ounces max.
That if can mail to Canada...

I can't find my extra housings in spares or dead box.

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