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jaydaug2008
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DEC 31, 10:55 PM
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Going to attempt to upload a picture of this I discovered under the dash.. She is a 85 GT 4 speed... ------------------
James 1986 Fiero SE V6 2.8
Central Florida
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1985 Fiero GT
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JAN 01, 01:58 AM
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it apears to be that someone bypased the clutch safety switch, will the car start without the clutch pedal pushed down (make sure to have shifter in neutral) if it starts without you touching clutch, then that is it, no real problem, maybe just make sure that the bridge is clean, connections are solid and the wire gauge is suitable, and that nothing is exposed, then tuck it up out of the way, or ziptie onto the old clutch switch.
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Raydar
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JAN 01, 09:04 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 1985 Fiero GT:
it apears to be that someone bypased the clutch safety switch.
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Yup. This. Exactly.
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theogre
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JAN 01, 10:23 AM
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Yes, is common to bypass the switch because either switch is "bad" or other issues.
While many claim isn't a problem to run forever like that...
Isn't a good idea for many people because can start in gear causing other problems including Fatal problems to people outside of vehicle.
& if someone gets hurt or killed, expect big legal problems dealing w/ car insurance etc.
Example: I was rewiring 70's Truck that didn't have this "feature" & turn the key to check volts on a circuit & turn the key a bit to far & started the engine then pin another worker to a wall in microseconds. Good thing was sitting in driver seat to push the clutch so no harm done.
Note that Many "old" trucks & others have ignition keys directly connected to the switch, often is 1 piece part, & often difference between run & start is often very few degrees. Worse when have big key rings etc adding to load on the switch. Fiero & many others the key have gear(s) etc before the switch & rotates more just for slack in the setup. Unlike now when they "mod'ed" the switch to have some more rotation even when switch in direct connect to the key.------------------
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
(Jurassic Park)
The Ogre's Fiero Cave
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fierogt28
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JAN 01, 04:20 PM
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Very much a temporary fix, but if the owner couldn’t buy a new switch, he’s a lazy SOB, or if he didn’t have the money to buy a new one. He shouldn’t have even been driving that car. It’s a readily available part, so no excuse for that.
Safety inspection station will not pass this car unless this is fixed.
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fierogt28
88 GT, Loaded, 5-speed.
88 GT, 5-speed. Beechwood interior, All original.
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1985 Fiero GT
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JAN 01, 05:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fierogt28:
Very much a temporary fix, but if the owner couldn’t buy a new switch, he’s a lazy SOB, or if he didn’t have the money to buy a new one. He shouldn’t have even been driving that car. It’s a readily available part, so no excuse for that.
Safety inspection station will not pass this car unless this is fixed.
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Speaking of which, slightly off topic, where can I get that switch, mine is functional, but the arm that connects to the clutch is slightly broken and make break more or fall out anytime for me, I didn't see that switch or even a category for that switch on rock auto, mine does not have cruise control so that might change the switch a little, anyone have a link to that or part number etc.
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theogre
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JAN 01, 05:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fierogt28:
Safety inspection station will not pass this car unless this is fixed. |
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Many US States don't have Inspection like FL. Others have "weak" Inspection & won't see the bypass.
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jaydaug2008
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JAN 02, 08:09 AM
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Thank you all for your wisdom on this..The car came with a trunk load of parts and I found that plastic white switch and will be installing it.. Let just hope it works... I dont like it when things are bypassed like that especially if it is a safety issue. ------------------
James 1986 Fiero SE V6 2.8
Central Florida
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Vintage-Nut
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JAN 02, 10:03 AM
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| quote | 1985 Fiero GT:
slightly off topic, where can I get that switch.... |
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Fiero Clutch Safety Switch Discontinued... Testing A Possible Alternative by Shho13
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/135049.html
{This thread has interchange part numbers}
Clutch Pedal Safety Switch - Replacement solution NOT BYPASSING by Camel
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/133653.html
{In this thread has photos to replace the internals from General Motors 15569768 / ACDelco D2271A}
EDIT
I'm adding the switch on my INTERIOR Refurbishment List and brought an NOS 15569768 / D2271A Switch on eBay @ $13 total.
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Original Owner of a Silver '88 GT
Under 'Production Refurbishment' @ 136k Miles[This message has been edited by Vintage-Nut (edited 01-02-2024).]
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fierogt28
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JAN 02, 10:30 AM
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Yes, after looking on TFS and RA, you are correct.
I will admit I mis-took this as seeing the cruise control switch on that website.
Happy to see someone took the time to modify theirs from a S10 part.
This is good. As long as it’s new, that’s the way to go instead of getting a used one not knowing the history or how worn out it can be.
My apologies for the bypass, but it is a lazy way to fix things, but to get the car back on the road, it’s the only way to do it.------------------
fierogt28
88 GT, Loaded, 5-speed.
88 GT, 5-speed. Beechwood interior, All original.
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