Instrument Cluster (Page 1/2) Kern APR 06, 06:35 PM Help All, The car is a 1988 GT and I am having difficulty figuring out how to remove the cluster for repair of the temperature gauge. I have the factory service manual but I could not find the procedure in there. I have removed all visible fasterners around the cluster and it is still attached to the main panel somehow. I can wiggle it but it will not come out. Any help will be appreciated. 82-T/A [At Work] APR 06, 07:14 PM quote Originally posted by Kern: Help All, The car is a 1988 GT and I am having difficulty figuring out how to remove the cluster for repair of the temperature gauge. I have the factory service manual but I could not find the procedure in there. I have removed all visible fasterners around the cluster and it is still attached to the main panel somehow. I can wiggle it but it will not come out. Any help will be appreciated. Can you take some pictures to show the current condition / status of what you've removed thus far? Thanks! 1985 Fiero GT APR 06, 08:07 PM There's 2 big bolts (10mm i think) below, recessed in ridges of the pale plastic skeleton, and 2 more big 10mm bolts in behind, going through a visible metal plate, around where the 2 torx screws were for the rear cover. If those are removed, it should be just some wiggling, and disconnecting all the wires to get it out Kern APR 08, 02:08 PM SUCESS!!!! I kept looking around for more screws and noting where parts were being retained. I eventually found all the screws and the temperature and fuel gauges are out of the cluster and ready to be sent for repair. Thank you all for your input. 82-T/A [At Work] APR 08, 07:17 PM quote Originally posted by Kern: SUCESS!!!! I kept looking around for more screws and noting where parts were being retained. I eventually found all the screws and the temperature and fuel gauges are out of the cluster and ready to be sent for repair. Thank you all for your input. Nice! Congrats! Would you mind sharing who you're sending your gauges to, in order to be repaired? Something to think about while you have them out. The needles on the gauges are supposed to be a dark orange, and light up basically red (when new). My 87 Fiero SE / V6, I bought in 1996 with 53k miles on it, and it had sat in storage for about 6 years... so it didn't see a lot of sun bleaching. My gauges are pretty much yellow now. There's special paint that you can buy for 80s Pontiac gauges to bring them back to original color. If you have them out, might as well do that. 1985 Fiero GT APR 08, 09:31 PM quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Nice! Congrats! Would you mind sharing who you're sending your gauges to, in order to be repaired? Something to think about while you have them out. The needles on the gauges are supposed to be a dark orange, and light up basically red (when new). My 87 Fiero SE / V6, I bought in 1996 with 53k miles on it, and it had sat in storage for about 6 years... so it didn't see a lot of sun bleaching. My gauges are pretty much yellow now. There's special paint that you can buy for 80s Pontiac gauges to bring them back to original color. If you have them out, might as well do that. There were 2 different gauge sets, early, 84/85, orange needles, sidelit gauges, and stayed in position when switched off, 85mph speedo, oil or volts integrated below tach and late, 86+, which had very yellow needles, backlit gauges, automatically reset to zero when switched off, 120mph speedo, and rally gauges for volts and oil. This is for the higher models, see/gt with 6cyl, I think the 4cyl Fieros all had the basic early style cluster, 85mph, sidelit, orange needles, integrated oil gauge, no reset to zero. 82-T/A [At Work] APR 09, 07:50 AM quote Originally posted by 1985 Fiero GT: There were 2 different gauge sets, early, 84/85, orange needles, sidelit gauges, and stayed in position when switched off, 85mph speedo, oil or volts integrated below tach and late, 86+, which had very yellow needles, backlit gauges, automatically reset to zero when switched off, 120mph speedo, and rally gauges for volts and oil. This is for the higher models, see/gt with 6cyl, I think the 4cyl Fieros all had the basic early style cluster, 85mph, sidelit, orange needles, integrated oil gauge, no reset to zero. It's been a long time since I had my 1984 Fiero 2m4 SE, and my 1985 Fiero GT 4-Speed, but I seem to recall that while they were physically different, the 85 gauges had a bit more graphics on the face... like... some extra tick indicators for the tach or something... hahah. I just remember that like almost everything in my 84 was black. The power mirror switch, all the buttons, etc. But my 1984 had so many more things than my 85s had. The 1984 I had even had a "cargo net" built into the back of the seat... which I thought was super cool. On the needles... the 86.5+, the needles were never meant to be yellow... they just faded. This is an original gauge set with non-faded needles, that gives you a good indication of what they should look like when new... ... Ok, I knot this is a little lame... but have you seen the Canadian gauges? They're in metric, and the number is bigger... hahah... Don't judge... I put my Fiero in storage back in 2011 and never got to finish it... but I will as soon as I can get my daughter's 85 out of storage: I can't remember what I swapped out, but I swapped out a couple of them. I think I swapped out the temperature gauge because I liked the open circle / closed circle (otherwise totally the same), and I also swapped out the speedometer, which now shows 180kph instead of 120mph. Obviously, in hind-sight, that's kind of lame because 120mph actually goes to 190+ kph. But it seemed cool and more "exotic" at the time, while still being stock. There's a series of motors that are labelled as metric or standard, and you simply match the gauge to the motor. So my cluster has the "standard" stepper motor for the tachometer (not sure why that would make a difference), and the metric for the speedometer. In South Florida, we'd routinely see cars in the junkyard that came from Canada as so many Canadians had summer homes here. I even saw a Pontiac Firefly Turbo (which was the high performance version of the Geo Metro). Eventually, I'll clean all this up and replace the leather on the steering wheel, etc. Back in the day, I'd routinely go 120mph+ on the highway when I was in my late teens / early 20s. Kind of stupid, but I remember several times I'd have the needle pegged at 120mph, and the car still kept going. But I'd reach a point (probably around 125-130mph, where even with my foot firmly planted on the floor... the car just wouldn't accelerate anymore. I still would have like 300-400 rpms before it got into the yellow, but it just wouldn't go any faster... something about not enough horsepower to overcome the coefficient of drag. But I was impressed. I think about going that fast now, in anything I'm driving, and I think to myself... holy **** . It's amazing that I made it out of my 20s. I can't even remember the last time I went faster than 80 miles an hour. Anyway, you can read all the Canadian gauges on here: https://www.pontiacperforma...RIC-GAUGES-INSTALLED Keep in mind, I made this page in Notepad, and last updated it in 2011... a lot has changed in 14 years, monitors are bigger and resolutions are higher... so it's what it is. 1985 Fiero GT APR 09, 08:34 AM quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: It's been a long time since I had my 1984 Fiero 2m4 SE, and my 1985 Fiero GT 4-Speed, but I seem to recall that while they were physically different, the 85 gauges had a bit more graphics on the face... like... some extra tick indicators for the tach or something... hahah. I just remember that like almost everything in my 84 was black. The power mirror switch, all the buttons, etc. But my 1984 had so many more things than my 85s had. The 1984 I had even had a "cargo net" built into the back of the seat... which I thought was super cool. On the needles... the 86.5+, the needles were never meant to be yellow... they just faded. This is an original gauge set with non-faded needles, that gives you a good indication of what they should look like when new... ... Ok, I knot this is a little lame... but have you seen the Canadian gauges? They're in metric, and the number is bigger... hahah... Don't judge... I put my Fiero in storage back in 2011 and never got to finish it... but I will as soon as I can get my daughter's 85 out of storage: I can't remember what I swapped out, but I swapped out a couple of them. I think I swapped out the temperature gauge because I liked the open circle / closed circle (otherwise totally the same), and I also swapped out the speedometer, which now shows 180kph instead of 120mph. Obviously, in hind-sight, that's kind of lame because 120mph actually goes to 190+ kph. But it seemed cool and more "exotic" at the time, while still being stock. There's a series of motors that are labelled as metric or standard, and you simply match the gauge to the motor. So my cluster has the "standard" stepper motor for the tachometer (not sure why that would make a difference), and the metric for the speedometer. In South Florida, we'd routinely see cars in the junkyard that came from Canada as so many Canadians had summer homes here. I even saw a Pontiac Firefly Turbo (which was the high performance version of the Geo Metro). Eventually, I'll clean all this up and replace the leather on the steering wheel, etc. Back in the day, I'd routinely go 120mph+ on the highway when I was in my late teens / early 20s. Kind of stupid, but I remember several times I'd have the needle pegged at 120mph, and the car still kept going. But I'd reach a point (probably around 125-130mph, where even with my foot firmly planted on the floor... the car just wouldn't accelerate anymore. I still would have like 300-400 rpms before it got into the yellow, but it just wouldn't go any faster... something about not enough horsepower to overcome the coefficient of drag. But I was impressed. I think about going that fast now, in anything I'm driving, and I think to myself... holy **** . It's amazing that I made it out of my 20s. I can't even remember the last time I went faster than 80 miles an hour. Anyway, you can read all the Canadian gauges on here: https://www.pontiacperforma...RIC-GAUGES-INSTALLED Keep in mind, I made this page in Notepad, and last updated it in 2011... a lot has changed in 14 years, monitors are bigger and resolutions are higher... so it's what it is. Well they must have used a different paint, the first picture is the early style gauges, which I never see faded, 85mph speedo, integrated oil, edgelit, etc. second picture is the 120mph with the really gauges, backlit, auto reset to zero, etc. I always see those faded yellow. I know about the Canadian gauges, I live in Canada haha, I have the 85mph speedo with only km/h, no mph markings at all, 140 km/h! My dad's is the later model, 120mph, with both miles and kms olejoedad APR 09, 08:47 AM Forum member JGunsett is the go-to for Fiero gage repair, calibration and reconditioning. J Gunsett APR 09, 09:37 AM I am still doing gage repair, calibration, and reconditioning..... Jack