Electric window motor upgrade how to. (Page 1/1)
hercimer01 JUL 27, 10:49 PM
This is something I came up with this weekend inspired by someone whom had added one of these motors to a manual crank car. This one is on 88GT with electric windows. I removed the door skin because its just so much more easy to get at things. A bit of persuasion with a crow bar but not much much. Also the nut welded in as a pilot bushing for the gear is drilled out.
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The Fiero wires are too short and the new motor comes with a pigtail. Use stainless steel safety wire to bind the copper together while soldering. Also use flux. Use 2 layers of heat shrink and make sure there are no sharp pokeys on the joint. Should really stagger the splices so the cant sort out.








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Dennis LaGrua JUL 28, 02:27 AM
The Tahoe motor certainly helps improve the window function and that was good instruction that you posted. I am also a believer in disassembling the door skin when you replace the window motor but sometimes the quick fix by just applying Silicone spray to the window tracks improves the up down motion. The issue these days is that many of the window motor replacements are of poor quality. My son replaced one window motor recently and it had burned out within a year. That brings up the question of what brand of motor will last?

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theogre JUL 28, 10:49 AM
⚠️ Warning:
1. You need much "hotter" iron/gun to solder heavy wire then most have.
50-100 watts minimum to make a good joint w/o big problems that can, often will, fail later.
Like "Weller type" guns have 90 to 140 watts that puts a lot of heat on/in a joint before the copper can heat sink the spot.

Also: Do Not use Lead Free Solder. Most require More Heat to melt that makes this job harder. Some areas or countries now block lead solders to sell to most to all users but can find it in flea markets etc.

2. Mashing the ends then "tying" wires like above is not correct & can Fail. More so on "cold" joints that results using under power irons/guns etc.
Can twist ends to get mechanical connection then solder. Example: a Short version of this type twisting... "Western Union splice"
Or Use non insulated crimps then solder.

3. Flux Core Solder often doesn't get to inner wires for big joints to work. Again more so w/ under power irons/guns.
Flux core often doesn't have enough flux so needs standalone Rosin or other non-acid flux
or have heat problems... flux etc too cold doesn't work, too hots & flux burns before solder works. Second issue common to torches heating whatever to solder.

You can use "tinning" flux that mixes low temp solder in a flux. This will tin fast to see when flux is working. Again, Make sure any flux isn't acid flux.

4. You need "weather/water proof" shrink tube that has "glue" inside.
Doors are very wet areas & joints unprotected will corrode not only attack @ the joint but "water" will wick under the rest of insulation & rot more wire.

5. That's assuming OE & other wires can be cleaned to solder. Many OE stranded wires already have some crap/corrosion/oxides that is near impossible to remove then fluxes fail, more so flux core solder, to clean & solder doesn't work even if "Passes" a pull test right now.

Or...

● Use "water proof" crimps but need right crimper + adjusted right too so won't cut the sleeve but crimp tight to work then heat the tube to shrink & seal. Use 3M crimps or other real brands. Most don't crimp enough joints to "save money" on no-name crimps but often they are cheap for many reasons & Fail now or later because weak metal used to make them.
● Use Posi-Tite for 20-18 or 14-16 awg wires. Maybe can use Posi-Lock w/ some silicone or permatex green brake grease to keep out water since is not directly flooded.

But these 2 often hate old wires too for same reason you can't clean to solder. Posi-Lock/Posi-Tite might help because how they work & like many other connections forces the metal to metal contact to "wipe" the crap off if not badly dirty/rotten.

"Doors are Wet zones?"
Yes. Even w/ brand new "dew wipes" allows the water & worse will get on most of the door parts when it rains etc. because dew wipes & other external parts don't seal very well or not @ all. Is why most doors have "water proof paper" or plastic on inner door to protect the inner trim etc.

If other plugs in a door are not "water proof" like Metripack or weather pack then use silicone, brake grease or bulb grease on them.

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hercimer01 JUL 28, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by theogre:

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With all due respect Ogre, (another name for a Troll)

I have been certified in electronic solder repairs since 1986 by the US government. (Mil Spec 2000 in the US Navy) and currently J-STD-001 for Collins Aerospace, Woodward Inc, and many other aerospace and defense companies. I am well trained in ALL types of electric repairs.

I don't appreciate you trolling my thread here and hijacking it regardless of your sentimental connection to Fieros or this Forum. If you have an input here that contradicts anything I put out publicly, I would be more than open to discuss it with you privately in a PM.

You have been less than respectful or relevant in this case, mind your own business please.

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hercimer01 JUL 28, 07:00 PM
If you have ever taken apart a Fiero wire harness and read the service manual, then you would understand what techniques apply.
This is what I have observed how the fusible links are installed in these cars.
As far as weather proofing the connection, heat shrink the way I did, is no different then what the OEM used. (step 6)
I used a Weller ESD51 solder station. More than capable of doing its job on 14AWG wire.
The hand shake method I used is more than adequate. I learned it as a 31C wire dog in the Army National Guard.













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