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larini74
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JUN 04, 12:14 PM
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I too have started something like this. I have already obtained the 68-69 GTO front bumper and grill pieces. I'm just short on funds to continue it for the moment.
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turbodad
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JUN 04, 08:33 PM
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So if I were to make my own and displayed it here on PFF, you could sue me for infringing on "your design"? Seems to me this thread should now be in the mall. It is not an attempt to inspire others to share or do what you are doing, but to sell a product. What if 3800 swaps were copyrighted, side scoops, Ferrari noses, chin spoilers, chop tops ? I think "your" design is cool and I could probably do one myself, but I could never display it because you have invented the 68-69 GTO nose. What if the first hot rodders had copyrighted removing fenders and exposed engines? I just find it distasteful in a club forum to state that no one can take "your" stuff. I saw one guy put a 3d modeled red GTO grill in your thread, is he entitled to a royalty is 85ESNotchie ? Is GM okay with you using their design cues and openly stating where you "copied" it from? It just seems petty and "in your face". Does Amida copyright his 512 noses so no one else can attempt to compete (and by the rules of copyright) or display without his permission with a design he copied from Ferrari? Will you sue larini74, he is already attempting to do "your" design?
Cliff please move this to the mall. It's not for us, it's for a buck!!
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fieroguru
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JUN 04, 09:02 PM
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Its quite common for product development threads to start/remain in Tech/General sections. The mall section is generally for items that are ready to be sold.
Sure they are making a new bumper (and trying to protect their design) with the intent to sell it (which there is nothing wrong with), but they are also sharing their process of creating the bumper. This process could be very helpful for others looking to do something similar, but not sure how to start/proceed.
Documenting the process of creating the new bumper is why this is in the construction zone...[This message has been edited by fieroguru (edited 06-04-2013).]
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turbodad
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JUN 04, 09:28 PM
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I get what you are saying Fieroguru , my problem is with the copyright proclamation. It say's to me "don't you try this or compete with me". I say again what if everyone here did that with a mod they thought of? Only Archie can make a V8 swap or choptop only Amida can make a Ferrari nose and Lambo/355 dash, only Dark Horizon can do turbo 3800 swaps, because they copyrighted same. Will Car-2 lo copyright RBS2 which is liberally uses Lambo design cues?
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av8fiero
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JUN 04, 09:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by turbodad:
So if I were to make my own and displayed it here on PFF, you could sue me for infringing on "your design"? Seems to me this thread should now be in the mall. It is not an attempt to inspire others to share or do what you are doing, but to sell a product. What if 3800 swaps were copyrighted, side scoops, Ferrari noses, chin spoilers, chop tops ? I think "your" design is cool and I could probably do one myself, but I could never display it because you have invented the 68-69 GTO nose. What if the first hot rodders had copyrighted removing fenders and exposed engines? I just find it distasteful in a club forum to state that no one can take "your" stuff. I saw one guy put a 3d modeled red GTO grill in your thread, is he entitled to a royalty is 85ESNotchie ? Is GM okay with you using their design cues and openly stating where you "copied" it from? It just seems petty and "in your face". Does Amida copyright his 512 noses so no one else can attempt to compete (and by the rules of copyright) or display without his permission with a design he copied from Ferrari? Will you sue larini74, he is already attempting to do "your" design?
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Relax, all a copyright does is protect the designers from someone else selling or somehow profiting from a copy of their design or image. There's nothing wrong with trying to make a buck or protecting your design. While he did mention that he would like to offer this nose up for sale in the future, so far this thread has been about the process of building this nose for a Fiero, which belongs squarely in the construction zone. You can build an exact copy for yourself if you like, you just can't sell it or profit from it, or somehow prevent the designer from profiting from it, if it has copyright protection.
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turbodad
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JUN 04, 10:00 PM
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Wrong. You also cannot display it "by radio or video", which means I can't show it on PFF. I know where you guys are coming from really, but when you start using legal terms it is a slippery slope. So in the spirit of "forum friendship" I offer this suggestion to the builders. Go to the pick and pull and get a front bumper from a 67-68 Firebird. Google it and you will see what I mean. Leave out the lights and there you go. This will save you days of sculpting your foam. I hereby waive my consulting fees or claims to royalty.
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CrazyDragn
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JUN 04, 10:12 PM
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This is not a try and burn you thread, by any means. This is a simple, this is what we are doing. You either like it or not. It ok with us whatever your decision. My brother, the lawyer, helped to set this up. he is on the ccouncil of San Diego and he also practiced in our state and was also in on the monica luinski case with kenneth starr. neither which matters.
We just want to make a product that everone can enjoy and not get their pannies in a wad.
So, just like everyone on here who has rights to what they build all we ask is that you respect that as we respect what everone else builds.
Saying that, lets have fun and be mature about this whole thing.
Thank ou for all your PM responses and patroinage to those who have supported us.
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Notchie to Fast Back Conversion
After Market Steering Wheel Conversion
'68-69 GTO Nose - The Project Has Begun
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CrazyDragn
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JUN 04, 10:15 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by turbodad:
Wrong. You also cannot display it "by radio or video", which means I can't show it on PFF. I know where you guys are coming from really, but when you start using legal terms it is a slippery slope. So in the spirit of "forum friendship" I offer this suggestion to the builders. Go to the pick and pull and get a front bumper from a 67-68 Firebird. Google it and you will see what I mean. Leave out the lights and there you go. This will save you days of sculpting your foam. I hereby waive my consulting fees or claims to royalty. |
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I appreciate your comment 
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Notchie to Fast Back Conversion
After Market Steering Wheel Conversion
'68-69 GTO Nose - The Project Has Begun[This message has been edited by CrazyDragn (edited 06-06-2013).]
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CrazyDragn
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JUN 04, 10:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fieroguru:
Its quite common for product development threads to start/remain in Tech/General sections. The mall section is generally for items that are ready to be sold.
Sure they are making a new bumper (and trying to protect their design) with the intent to sell it (which there is nothing wrong with), but they are also sharing their process of creating the bumper. This process could be very helpful for others looking to do something similar, but not sure how to start/proceed.
Documenting the process of creating the new bumper is why this is in the construction zone...
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Actually, we are trying to enspire new creative ideas with our method of use. 
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Notchie to Fast Back Conversion
After Market Steering Wheel Conversion
'68-69 GTO Nose - The Project Has Begun[This message has been edited by CrazyDragn (edited 06-06-2013).]
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turbodad
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JUN 04, 10:20 PM
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If I start and finish my own similar design this weekend and post it on PFF will your brother sue me for copyright infringement?
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