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av8fiero
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JUN 04, 10:25 PM
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Not entirely wrong, The thread so far has been building the nose, which belongs here in the construction zone.
Build your own for yourself if you wish, I'm sure that legally you can. Alter it 20 percent if you want to post the image here or elsewhere if you're afraid of being sued. Lawyering up and sueing is quite expensive, while I wish these guys great success in their endevour I highly doubt they'll be getting rich on this project as it's a fairly limited market.
Sorry for the sidetrack. Good luck guys, hope you get this done and to market at some point.
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Boostdreamer
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JUN 04, 10:31 PM
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Turbodad, I hear you. Have you heard us? Did you bother to ask anything discretely in a PM? No, you busted in on a happy build thread yelling foul. There's always one who has to cry. Is this an original idea? Yes it is. I had the idea and I asked 85SEnochie to create it in his photoshop thread. I never thought I would ever be actually making it. This is very exciting for me and possibly even more so for Crazydragn. He's the driving force in this project. Without him pushing me to join up with him on this project, it would still be an image on a screen. Instead, now it's an evolving creation in foam behind my house. Are we happy and proud about it? Hell yes!! Got a problem with our excitement? I don't give a damn. We're just a couple of poor old Tennessee hillbillies having fun, trying to make some pocket money, and deeply desiring to supply the community with a nice product. If you have a problem with that, see my answer above. Yes we applied for a copyright. Apparently, our project qualified for one or it wouldn't have been issued. To be honest, I know absolutely nothing about legal mumbo-jumbo but after hearing your rant, I sure do see how quickly things can get ugly so it is obviously wise to CYA.
I won't address this topic further on this thread. If Crazydragn chooses to, he's a grown man and that is up to him. I'd rather get back to the car and do some more carving! Who's ready for more pics and build notes?  ------------------
Jonathan
'68-69 GTO Nose - The Project has Begun!
My '85 L67 Build Thread
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CrazyDragn
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JUN 04, 10:33 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by turbodad:
So if I were to make my own and displayed it here on PFF, you could sue me for infringing on "your design"? Seems to me this thread should now be in the mall. It is not an attempt to inspire others to share or do what you are doing, but to sell a product. What if 3800 swaps were copyrighted, side scoops, Ferrari noses, chin spoilers, chop tops ? I think "your" design is cool and I could probably do one myself, but I could never display it because you have invented the 68-69 GTO nose. What if the first hot rodders had copyrighted removing fenders and exposed engines? I just find it distasteful in a club forum to state that no one can take "your" stuff. I saw one guy put a 3d modeled red GTO grill in your thread, is he entitled to a royalty is 85ESNotchie ? Is GM okay with you using their design cues and openly stating where you "copied" it from? It just seems petty and "in your face". Does Amida copyright his 512 noses so no one else can attempt to compete (and by the rules of copyright) or display without his permission with a design he copied from Ferrari? Will you sue larini74, he is already attempting to do "your" design?
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I really don't understand how you got your feelings hurt. We are trying to help show you how to make a product. how to make it!
not hurt you or try to keep you from it, we are trying to inspire you by showing our progress.
Good luck to you and god bless you 
Jason
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CrazyDragn
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JUN 04, 10:39 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by av8fiero:
Not entirely wrong, The thread so far has been building the nose, which belongs here in the construction zone.
Build your own for yourself if you wish, I'm sure that legally you can. Alter it 20 percent if you want to post the image here or elsewhere if you're afraid of being sued. Lawyering up and sueing is quite expensive, while I wish these guys great success in their endevour I highly doubt they'll be getting rich on this project as it's a fairly limited market.
Sorry for the sidetrack. Good luck guys, hope you get this done and to market at some point. |
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you can absolutely build your own for yourself, there is NO infringemnt for that I can tell you that now. We just want to be able to resell our product thus it has to be copyright, anyone who wouldn't would be foolish. I'm done with this .
Lets get back to the build and be mature about this.
I appreciate your coooperation.------------------
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CrazyDragn
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JUN 04, 10:46 PM
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turbodad
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JUN 04, 10:49 PM
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AV8Fiero, you can't give me permission to build this only the OP copyright holder can. I do like this mod. I had originally intended to give some advice and try it myself as IMHO they are going at it with a sledgehammer rather than a scalpel ie. 67-68 firebird has the same nose in one piece. But the OP sidetracked this thread with the copyright proclamation which means if I posted what I have done he could say "you can't do that I have a copyright". I know you may think "oh they won't mind" but he has built in legal counsel and has copyrighted before it is even done I think he would mind and think that I copied his idea and he would be right !! I'm just glad chop tops haven't been copyrighted.........they haven't right Archie?
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CrazyDragn
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JUN 04, 10:56 PM
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JUN 04, 11:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by CrazyDragn:
Sledge hammer,
I work in nursing, ill remember that when your relative needs to have surgery.
you know what, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say that, I just get upset sometimes when people don't really think things thru brfore they say it, I love you guys!!
And back to the build!!
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There is waaay to much bickering.Just keep building this awesome product.
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FieroGTRwideboby
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JUN 04, 11:11 PM
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I love when threads go to this stage. I work in the automotive design world, and deal with intellectual property all the time.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but a coryright will NOT protect your design, it will protect your name. A copyright might also protect any images of the final design or anything in a brochure etc. It does not and will never hold up in court if the design was infringed on. To truly protect your idea you need to file for a patent... way different from a copyright and way more expensive. I have sold off many designs I have done and transferred intellectual property rights to my clients, when they decide to patent the product. A copy right means nothing for a physical bumper or part. You need to see a Intellectual property layer. Patenting a part is also not easy and costs thousands of dollars.
The chances of someone copying this bumper and taking money out of your pocket are so infinitely small that its not worth the attorney and patent fees. Build it, share the process and make a cool looking part. At the end of the day you also have to realize this: This is a public forum which means that once you put that rendering of the yellow car online you made your plans and design public domain, meaning you have already released your part and its too late. If someone takes your bumper and makes a mold from it, then produces a part and sells it, that is a whole different story. You have the right and will win any case based on infringement of your "intellectual property..."
I love to see people trying new stuff and getting their hands dirty in the process. That is one of the reason my dad and I built the orange widebody. Its a creative and exciting process, the minute it becomes too serious it looses some of sparkle.
The whole thing about changing 20% is BS, not sure who told you that. There is no law, or rule as a result of litigation allowing any percent change to patent anything. How do you measure a 20% difference. Its is a myth and has no validity in a intellectual property hearing.
Good luck with the project, its cool to follow it along.
Alex
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CrazyDragn
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JUN 04, 11:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by FieroGTRwideboby:
I love when threads go to this stage. I work in the automotive design world, and deal with intellectual property all the time.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but a coryright will NOT protect your design, it will protect your name. A copyright might also protect any images of the final design or anything in a brochure etc. It does not and will never hold up in court if the design was infringed on. To truly protect your idea you need to file for a patent... way different from a copyright and way more expensive. I have sold off many designs I have done and transferred intellectual property rights to my clients, when they decide to patent the product. A copy right means nothing for a physical bumper or part. You need to see a Intellectual property layer. Patenting a part is also not easy and costs thousands of dollars.
The chances of someone copying this bumper and taking money out of your pocket are so infinitely small that its not worth the attorney and patent fees. Build it, share the process and make a cool looking part. At the end of the day you also have to realize this: This is a public forum which means that once you put that rendering of the yellow car online you made your plans and design public domain, meaning you have already released your part and its too late. If someone takes your bumper and makes a mold from it, then produces a part and sells it, that is a whole different story. You have the right and will win any case based on infringement of your "intellectual property..."
I love to see people trying new stuff and getting their hands dirty in the process. That is one of the reason my dad and I built the orange widebody. Its a creative and exciting process, the minute it becomes too serious it looses some of sparkle.
The whole thing about changing 20% is BS, not sure who told you that. There is no law, or rule as a result of litigation allowing any percent change to patent anything. How do you measure a 20% difference. Its is a myth and has no validity in a intellectual property hearing.
Good luck with the project, its cool to follow it along.
Alex
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I WILL address this again. YES, there is a law about changine it 20% and thus is NOT BS - read your laws more thoroughly. my brother - who is a lawyer - and is doing this probono and is a well known national lawyer - can and will help us. he IS pushing for a ptend as we speak, but has nothing to do with anything when it comesto anyone elses knowledge or knowing of anyhting. this is private in matter.
Look guys, I wouldn't post something I wasn't sure of or have looked into thoroughly. I love this build, love the responses, lets get back to build and use this for constructive converations rather that I KNOW WhaT IM TALKING ABUT thread.
Love you guys, let's get busy now.
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