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2.5
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JUL 08, 02:12 PM
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From the 21:46 min mark
(that leaves only about 10 minutes to listen)
All these groups today identifying differences and separating themselves and eachother weakens us all.[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 07-08-2021).]
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TheDigitalAlchemist
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JUL 09, 12:04 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
From the 21:46 min mark
(that leaves only about 10 minutes to listen)
All these groups today identifying differences and separating themselves and eachother weakens us all.
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You don’t see ants or antelopes or possums wasting their time identifying themselves, but for many humans, that’s ALL they got now…
Or it’s what they believe is important… this past year didn’t help most folks. They became even less social and more apathetic. Obese and depressed. Because they have no purpose and have no ambition.
They think they somehow are to blame for past injustices and incapable of forgiveness for all the harm THEY did to the “fragile planet”.
Maybe “the Rock” being president is the kind of thing we need… and Jordan Peterson as VP. 😉
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2.5
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JUL 09, 09:08 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist:
You don’t see ants or antelopes or possums wasting their time identifying themselves, but for many humans, that’s ALL they got now…
Or it’s what they believe is important… this past year didn’t help most folks. They became even less social and more apathetic. Obese and depressed. Because they have no purpose and have no ambition.
They think they somehow are to blame for past injustices and incapable of forgiveness for all the harm THEY did to the “fragile planet”.
Maybe “the Rock” being president is the kind of thing we need… and Jordan Peterson as VP. 😉 |
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Thanks for the comment, for sure, people need to open their eyes. Its strange the way society / media seems to be trying to back up the problem, because in some strange way ...it sells? I look at it as just another venue for virtue signaling on one end and playing victim on another.
Are facts now optional?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pLQQ4vWqds
Thinking ..."the post powerful weapon you could possibly provide someone with".
Well then... no wonder they'd like to remove it.[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 07-09-2021).]
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2.5
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JUL 09, 09:36 AM
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All these groups today identifying differences and separating themselves and eachother weakens us all.
Isn't it interesting that apparently they think they are doing the opposite of dismantling freedom and bringing down society when they try to force society to "embrace diversity" as they are doing.
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maryjane
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JUL 13, 10:19 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
All these groups today identifying differences and separating themselves and each other weakens us all.
Isn't it interesting that apparently they think they are doing the opposite of dismantling freedom and bringing down society when they try to force society to "embrace diversity" as they are doing. |
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'they'?
Is that code for 'people not like me (us)' ?
Tribalism has existed in mankind for as long as mankind has existed or at least since homo sapien began to outnumber Neanderthal and pushed them and their societal way of life to the physical margins of society and the Neanderthal became (mostly) extinct; about 30,000-39,000 years ago. That marginalization/assimilation probably existed in various forms and degrees for tens of thousands of years prior to that.
It should not be omitted or marginalized of course, that 'we' are still engaged in our own kind of tribalism today, attempting to bring 'them' into 'our' societal fold. Make 'them' think and act like 'us'.
It all continues.
Jordan Peterson's tribe numbers somewhere around 4 million followers across social media.
Pots and kettles.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 07-13-2021).]
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williegoat
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JUL 13, 11:52 AM
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There is nothing inherently wrong with tribalism, just as diversity has no intrinsic value. It is when those ideas stand in the way of freedom or progress that they become a tool of evil.
I identify with motorcycle enthusiasts and music lovers, more specifically those who appreciate music and bikes from the early to mid twentieth century. We have a common perspective. If you show up at a Blues festival wearing a Free Britney T-shirt, nobody will sit next to you.
We are all part of the Fiero Tribe.
Lord help you if you own a Mustang and a Vespa. Your collection of mint condition Cowsills albums may be rare, but nobody is going to bid on them.[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 07-13-2021).]
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maryjane
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JUL 13, 12:15 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
There is nothing inherently wrong with tribalism, just as diversity has no intrinsic value. It is when those ideas stand in the way of freedom or progress that they become a tool of evil.
I identify with motorcycle enthusiasts and music lovers, more specifically those who appreciate music and bikes from the early to mid twentieth century. We have a common perspective. If you show up at a Blues festival wearing a Free Brittany T-shirt, nobody will sit next to you.
We are all part of the Fiero Tribe.
Lord help you if you own a Mustang and a Vespa. Your collection of mint condition Cowsills albums may be rare, but nobody is going to bid on them.
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Which tribe's version of freedom or progress?
It all depends upon whose ox is being gored.
Some people (Himmler, Hitler & Eichmann) believed the 'final solution' was ultimate progress.
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williegoat
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JUL 13, 12:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Which tribe's version of freedom or progress?
It all depends upon whose ox is being gored.
Some people (Himmler, Hitler & Eichmann) believed the 'final solution' was ultimate progress.
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I would suggest that their "solution" stifled both freedom and progress.
Progress is often fueled by dissension. The value of diversity lies in free and open discussion, the exploration rather than the suppression of ideas. The proof, however, is in the implementation. We learn from our mistakes, some of us, anyway.
I suspect that some went along with the Nazi plan because they didn't know any better. Of course there were many who saw it as an outlet for a seething hatred, but some simply did not care enough to learn the truth.
Look at the Sacajawea statue. It was torn down because of misguided hate, but the destruction was allowed to happen because many did not care enough to learn why she was crouching down.
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JUL 13, 02:28 PM
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Did someone say "Sacagawea" ?
| quote | Rose Ann Abrahamson, a descendant of Sacagawea and a Shoshone-Bannock woman, weighed in on the decision during the meeting.
“I feel that it should just be melted down,” Abrahamson said. “That's my opinion. I feel that it's entirely offensive and it should be obliterated.
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The statue has been criticized for its portrayal of Sacagawea in a crouched position below Lewis and Clark.
Abrahamon said during a work session in 2019 that she has seen nearly every depiction of her ancestor [Sacagawea] in the [United States.]
“This statue in Charlottesville was the worst we have ever seen,” she said.
Abrahamson said the statue shows Sacagawea “cowering and recoiling.” She said it should be in a location where it can become an “object of discussion of America’s intolerant past.”
Some historians have interpreted Sacagawea’s kneeling position as her directing the explorers and tracking. . . . |
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"Charlottesville takes down Lewis-Clark-Sacagawea statue"
Ginny Bixby for The Daily Progress (of Charlottesville); July 10, 2021.
https://dailyprogress.com/n...25-af845766cd9e.html[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 07-13-2021).]
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sourmash
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JUL 13, 02:42 PM
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People are generally full of bullchit, because they just want more for themselves and their clan and typically at the expense of a different clan.
Another absolute truth is that the most altruistic people of a real sized group out of all the people in the world have pale skin like mine and maryjane's. We allow others in and give them preferential treatment as minorities despite that person being a vast majority in the world. And we let them publically rant at our colleges to others about emptying a revolver into our heads without remorse or any guilt at all, saying they don't think anyone might even protest it.
Whites will be placed in camps in our own country. And some of you reading or posting will support it. I know this as fact already.
I wonder what Churchill's, Eisenhower's, de Gaulle's memoirs say about WWII German camps?
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