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williegoat
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NOV 14, 02:44 AM
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Freedom of religion is a conservative, constitutional principle. The idea that Jews should be excluded from positions of authority is a tenet of national socialism and islamic theocracies.
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rinselberg
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NOV 14, 07:10 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
The Republican voter group is a largely Christian contingency or has a belief in Jesus Christ as God. A person who is belligerent to that belief who is PROMOTED as a voice of leadership for that group should be openly presented as such on the subject of Christ. |
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As I said before, I know not much about this Ben Shapiro. So there could be some nuances to this nexus that I am unaware of.
In general, however, I would not draw a straight line from a person who says that they "do not believe in Jesus as Son of God," to an expression or harboring of "belligerence" towards (any) Christians or any particular manifestation of the Christian faith. It could just be a belief that's not shared, but not a "belligerence" towards that belief or any of its believers.
As far as "promoted as a voice of leadership . . . openly presented as such," is there anything that has not been "openly presented" about Ben Shapiro in the matter of his not accepting Jesus as the Son of God? Is sourmash suggesting that every time that Ben Shapiro is set up to address or converse with what is likely a pro-Republican cohort, he should be introduced as "Ben Shapiro, who does not believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ," or "Ben Shapiro, an Orthodox Jew who represents the pinnacle of Judeo-Christian beliefs," or "Nobody puts the 'Judeo' into Judeo-Christian values like Ben Shapiro,", or something else along those lines?
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sourmash
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NOV 14, 09:06 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
I disagree that a person has to be Christian or identify or recognize Christianity to qualify as a Republican "leader". Politics isn't a Church. Like it or not, America is made up of MANY different religions including none at all, and with that fact, ANY AND ALL "leaders" need to openly recognize it. The "leaders" of the Republican party need to represent Americans, all Americans NOT just Christians.
All of that being said, I am a Christian and would love for all of America to get along with each other and believe in Christ, but that isn't going to happen.
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You and Rinse did the same thing. You just made up something and claimed I said it, which is typical of most people.
You quoted what I wrote and responded to something I didn't write. Like it or not, I only said what I said and you have to confine your imagination to that.
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sourmash
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NOV 14, 09:12 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
I have heard you accuse several people of not being "conservatives" so I have to ask you to list people that you believe are conservative. Preferably members here on PFF, politicians and celebrities (Podcaster, radio hosts, influential people) |
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Donald Trump is not a conservative, but ran on conservative planks. Hannity is not either. Pat Buchanan is in the conservative sphere of practice. Rush Limbaugh was not. He convinced people that Republican means conservative. Now most Republicans believe that they are, when in fact they are moderates.
I don't accuse people. People reveal beliefs that aren't conservative and I illustrate how they are not conservative. It would be stupid to make a claim that isnt supported. My approach is to expose that stupidity by showing that there is no support for a claim.
Ben Shapiro is who the Deep State wants you to listen to. Same with Hannity and Huckabee. Shills. They're installed to address an age demographic.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 11-14-2021).]
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rinselberg
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NOV 14, 09:46 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
You and Rinse did the same thing. You just made up something and claimed I said it, which is typical of most people.
You quoted what I wrote and responded to something I didn't write. Like it or not, I only said what I said and you have to confine your imagination to that. |
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In my previous message (easily identifiable by the prominent photo imagery at its end) I tried to hew exactly to what you said about, and in relation to Ben Shapiro.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-14-2021).]
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sourmash
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NOV 14, 09:48 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sourmash:
You and Rinse did the same thing. You just made up something and claimed I said it, which is typical of most people.
You quoted what I wrote and responded to something I didn't write. Like it or not, I only said what I said and you have to confine your imagination to that.[/QUOTE]
In my previous message (easily identifiable by the prominent photo imagery at its end) I tried to hew exactly to what you said about, and in relation to Ben Shapiro.
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No, you didn't. You said something I didn't say so admit it because your statement and mine are clearly visible.
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rinselberg
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NOV 14, 10:25 AM
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I think that Rick (Rickady88GT) and myself, in our respective statements, are reacting very logically to what you said about Ben Shapiro, in this context.
You can certainly disagree with the value of what Rick has said, or what I have said, but I do not see where either Rick or myself "put words in your mouth" or turned what you said about Ben Shapiro into something that you didn't say.
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sourmash
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NOV 14, 10:40 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I think that Rick (Rickady88GT) and myself, in our respective statements, are reacting very logically to what you said about Ben Shapiro, in this context.
You can certainly disagree with the value of what Rick has said, or what I have said, but I do not see where either Rick or myself "put words in your mouth" or turned what you said about Ben Shapiro into something that you didn't say. |
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That's a totally delusional statement. Your specific and entire reply was to put words in my mouth.
My statement could be universally attributed to any non-religious or non-Christian religious or ethnic or identifying individual.
To Rick's reply, my statement does not state what he claims it states about what a Republican leader can or should be.
Rinse, when you can address what I stated, we'll be conversing. Now put yourself on an honest approach and give it a try.
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 14, 12:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Donald Trump is not a conservative,
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I would no argue if you said he is a moderate. In fact I have said he is an old school democrat that the new school left behind. He now fits in better as a Republican than the modern Democrat.
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Hannity is not either. Pat Buchanan is in the conservative sphere of practice. Rush Limbaugh was not. He convinced people that Republican means conservative. Now most Republicans believe that they are, when in fact they are moderates.
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You listed one person that kinda is conservative, and several that are not. This is your typical response, that is exactly why I asked you to give examples of people you consider conservative, including PFF members.
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I don't accuse people. People reveal beliefs that aren't conservative and I illustrate how they are not conservative. It would be stupid to make a claim that isnt supported. My approach is to expose that stupidity by showing that there is no support for a claim.
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Typical of your responses, see them before and they say nothing, just as they have before. You speak so vague and answer so few questions that we are left to stick to our original interpretation of your stances.
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Ben Shapiro is who the Deep State wants you to listen to. Same with Hannity and Huckabee. Shills. They're installed to address an age demographic.
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You are free to have an opinion, but you are also free to be wrong and spread your misunderstandings of others,....then have no true answers to back up you crazy talk.
Ben is not a Republican, he has been VERY vocal about Trump shortcomings and flaws.[This message has been edited by Rickady88GT (edited 11-14-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 14, 01:24 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
The Republican voter group is a largely Christian contingency or has a belief in Jesus Christ as God. A person who is belligerent to that belief who is PROMOTED as a voice of leadership for that group should be openly presented as such on the subject of Christ.
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There is no way to misinterpret this statement. Politicians have no obligation to be of ANY religious affiliation and neither do the influencers. Politics isn't a religion, we cannot exclude people because of different beliefs. Agreement on political ideology is something that makes people democrats or Republicans.[This message has been edited by Rickady88GT (edited 11-14-2021).]
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