America re-imagined. This is what The New America looks like. (Page 2/2)
rinselberg DEC 04, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

CA state law that stealing merchandise worth $950 or less is just a misdemeanor.

So now "shoplifters" are hitting these stores. But in my eyes if there is a coordinated act then it's not shoplifting, It's conspiracy to commit a crime. Also these groups of people that hit one store, the total should be added up and that should be the charge. If someone is hurt then all of them are responsible. If one of them threatens someone then they should all be charged.

But CA doesn't want to deal with anything..


It's not just California. This new report cites Shoplifting Flash Mobs and other Organized Shoplifting cases in Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Texas, Georgia and North Carolina, and those are just the cases that this report singles out.

This is, if not a "deep dive" into this kind of shoplifting, certainly a "medium depth dive." I can't imagine that anyone could look at this report and not see something that they are not already aware of.

"Thefts, Always an Issue for Retailers, Become More Brazen"

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In recent months, robberies have been more visible, with several involving large groups rushing into stores and coming out with armloads of goods.

Michael Corkery and Sapna Maheshwari for the New York Times; December 3, 2021.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...robberies-theft.html

The venerable Read-o-Meter says "9 minutes."

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82-T/A [At Work] DEC 04, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

(a quote that Rinselberg quoted)

"People in the United States no longer agree on the nation’s purpose, values, history, or meaning."





This is what bothers me. Who are "these people?" Our values are stated in the declaration of independence, and it quite clearly states what it means, and what our values are. These are non-negotiable, and they're not up for interpretation either.

At my last job, my colleague was an avowed Communist. He truly believed that Communism is where we need to be. Of course, he has no idea what this really means, but I blame radical leftist indoctrination. I know you and I don't agree on too much, but I know you would agree with me that Communism is really NOT where we need to be. So how did we get here? How did we get to this point in America where almost 1/3rd of Democrats prefer Communism over a free-market society?
rinselberg DEC 04, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

This is what bothers me. Who are "these people?" Our values are stated in the declaration of independence, and it quite clearly states what it means, and what our values are. These are non-negotiable, and they're not up for interpretation either.

At my last job, my colleague was an avowed Communist. He truly believed that Communism is where we need to be. Of course, he has no idea what this really means, but I blame radical leftist indoctrination. I know you and I don't agree on too much, but I know you would agree with me that Communism is really NOT where we need to be. So how did we get here? How did we get to this point in America where almost 1/3rd of Democrats prefer Communism over a free-market society?


"How did we get here?" This is what that article in The Atlantic is trying to explain. How we have arrived at this juncture, where the author of this article can make the case that the U.S. has fractured, internally, into what are essentially 4 different "Americas".

I have a confession to make: I've only browsed the article. Brought it up on several different occasions and looked at just one part of it or another, but I have not tried to read it attentively from beginning to end, in a single read through. Even if I had done this, I would still need to go back to the article and review it, before trying to offer any thoughtful response of my own to the question of "How did we get here?"

It would take any of us close to an entire hour to read it attentively, from top to bottom, in one big "read."

Let "Insta-Scroll" take you back instantly to the previous message in this thread, to help make sense of this message.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/.../HTML/127110.html#p4

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2.5 DEC 06, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

This is what bothers me. Who are "these people?" Our values are stated in the declaration of independence, and it quite clearly states what it means, and what our values are. These are non-negotiable, and they're not up for interpretation either.

At my last job, my colleague was an avowed Communist. He truly believed that Communism is where we need to be. Of course, he has no idea what this really means, but I blame radical leftist indoctrination. I know you and I don't agree on too much, but I know you would agree with me that Communism is really NOT where we need to be. So how did we get here? How did we get to this point in America where almost 1/3rd of Democrats prefer Communism over a free-market society?



Well said. Abandoning principles is a large part of how we got here.
rinselberg DEC 07, 04:16 PM
This magazine article that I've been "plugging" so much was written with this exact forum topic in mind. It's all about "How did we get to this point?" in and across these 50 United "but not so much, of late" United States.

Just back up to the previous message here from me--the message before the message before this one.

Anyone else that's reading this is likely not a paid subscriber of The Atlantic, but I think "you" might get it as a "freebie" if you click on the link that I posted.

There's no single sentence or paragraph that can explain "How did we get to this point?" That's why I'm not putting any quoted text here from the article.

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