quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: I hear ya. My opinion is that Trump as a personality is a curse and a blessing for him. He has basically 3 types of people that will vote in his elections: 1 type hate him and will never vote for him, 2nd type is on his side and won't vote for an opponent. My opinion is that theses two types are basically set in stone and I am not sure exactly what the % of either is but I guess maybe 30% for each? The 3rd type is somewhat in the middle and can be swayed to vote for Trump or against Trump based on the hot button topics of the day. For example if in fact Trump lost a large % of women's votes, the question for Trump is why and how can it be rectified? According to a poll I saw the other day, Hispanics are nearly 50% split on supporting Trump and the black vote is also swinging in his favor. What do people think about covid19 and the President's role? That is VERY subjective at this point even though it played a part in the last election. The next election may have a different opinion of both covid and it's handling, it depends on the media to guide the narrative. With more dead from covid on biden's hands than Trump's, the predictable spin from the media is that death counts are not just death counts anymore. The attention is going to be on "attempts to save lives", not just the death toll.

And that's giving President Trump a month 'bye' as the first confirmed US death didn't take place until Feb 29, 2020.

(Unless of course you are going to compare several year's of deaths while Biden is in office to the 1 year covid was here under Tump, which is apples to oranges. )

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You can argue it all you wish to.
You made a claim, (then added another claim to it) now it's incumbent upon you to back it up with something other than rhetoric and the now infamous "I know a guy at work that knows a girl, that worked at a hospital that heard the janitor say..."

Talk about 'fuzziness'... there it is.


You are certailly welcome to prove those numbers wrong.
Many, if not most, in the medical analytical community believe Covid case and death numbers for 2020, especially in the 1st and 2nd qtr of 2020 were greatly UNDER reported because of the novel nature of the illness, the lack of testing and lack of infrastructure to gather and compile the data early on.

The vaccine being released for public use has nothing to do with your original statement, and in fact you are trying to have it both ways.
On one hand, claiming there were more deaths under the 11 months of the Biden tenure, and then saying the vaccine reduced the numbers under Biden and 'flattened the curve' (your words).

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It would be easy--forgivable, even--to count the days from January 1, 2021, to January 20, 2021, as "Biden days", because of the calendar year rollover, but in fact, these first 20 days of 2021 are actually "Trump days." Referencing the fact that Biden wasn't officially sworn in as President of the United States until the quadrennially expected day for that, on the 20th day of January.

This, in connection with the Covid numbers.

Of course, I guess that depends on how you look at that period, or even the entire interim period, from January 6, when Biden's electoral college victory was certified, or even the greater interim period, from the day that the major news networks "called" the election in favor of Biden, on November 7, 2020, until January 20. Or until January 6. Depending on how you parse it.

The question being who actually had the "levers" in their hands, in terms of the national Covid response during this interim period? Was it the lame duck president, Donald Trump? Or was it in fact, president-elect Biden? Should the Trump of this period be considered a lame duck president, or a blame duck president?

Maybe there were no "levers" at that time. Or no "hands"..? Perhaps it's an entirely insignificant observation. A "distinction without a difference", as has often been said.

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