[This message has been edited by RWDPLZ (edited 08-03-2021).]

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: I don't think it's incumbent or should be incumbent that a majority of the current fans and followers of the Cleveland MLB franchise enthusiastically support the name change. Those are the people that I would be concerned about, if I had a financial stake in the franchise. I expect the new Guardians name will "grow" on people. Before they were called the "Indians" they had some other name (long time ago, by now). I doubt they put that change up for any kind of public referendum. I think one problem with the Indians name was that part of the brand was a cartoon-like caricature of "Chief Wahoo" and that even though they had recently stopped having that on their uniform caps and jerseys and other branded merchandise, the memory sticks. I think the big stakeholders here--the owners of the Cleveland MLB franchise--were not concerned about Florida State University, or the Atlanta Braves, or the Kansas City Chiefs (etc.) or anything beyond their own Cleveland MLB franchise--and I think that's how it should be.

What bothers me, obviously... is that I believe this decision was made based entirely from pressure by a group of "woke" middle class white progressives. Because of that, I don't feel like any logical thought went into it, and it was basically all emotional. As a kid, I liked the LA Dodgers, but the Cleveland Indians was my second favorite baseball team (mostly because of the movie). But whatever, that's besides the point.

Another aspect of this that bothers me is that they've totally eliminated any aspect of the native American heritage. Before I moved to Florida, I'd lived in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Virginia, Washington D.C., etc... and growing up in all those liberal states, I'd literally never seen a Native American before in my life... only on television. So I was actually kind of excited when I moved to Fort Lauderdale, and there were multiple Indian tribes. Not that you should care about such things... but with this woke ideology, we're basically eliminating culture too. Sure, they can change the logo to something more honorable, but unless Guardians has something to do with native Americans... then it seems they've basically eliminated that.


Also, the name already belongs to a Roller Derby Team... so what now? Will the NFL simply steam-roll over them because they have bigger lawyers and more money to throw at it? Seems ridiculous that they wouldn't have bothered to patent the name before making the announcement.

quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Why do Army Helicopters have Native American names?

LOL, just wait... Jeep is seriously considering eliminating the Cherokee name. The military isn't far behind. Someone just needs to put that bug in the ear of Kamala and then it's done...

[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 08-04-2021).]