And so, it begins. (Page 6/13)
williegoat APR 20, 06:38 PM
Two things:

#1. (and you know this) I will not give up hope!

and

#2. Glenn Beck is a jerk.
82-T/A [At Work] APR 20, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Two things:

#1. (and you know this) I will not give up hope!

and

#2. Glenn Beck is a jerk.




I'm glad you don't give up hope Willie! I keep some faith in this that you have faith in it! lol...
olejoedad APR 20, 07:08 PM
Sell everything and do what?

Convert it to cash that would be worthless if everything tanked?
Convert it to gold or other precious metals that you can't spend?

Still need a place to live, and food to eat.

However, selling off and downsizing to eliminate debt could be a very good thing.
williegoat APR 20, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Sell everything and do what?

Convert it to cash that would be worthless if everything tanked?
Convert it to gold or other precious metals that you can't spend?

Still need a place to live, and food to eat.

However, selling off and downsizing to eliminate debt could be a very good thing.


Beck is always selling something, usually gold or survival food. Many of his stories end up with a sales pitch.

He was (and probably still is) a "never Trumper" but has seen the writing on the wall and has sung a different tune lately.

He is an incessant oracle of doom and gloom. I think if anyone were to listen to his show everyday for a month, they would be compelled to jump off a building.

[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 04-20-2020).]

82-T/A [At Work] APR 20, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:
Sell everything and do what?




He was being slick... he wasn't being explicit in saying that you should buy Gold, but did throw that in a few times, and I noticed both segments of the show were capped with advertisements by Gold Line. The guy he was talking to was a financial analyst who suggested that his viewers needed to buy assets that would not be affected by an economic down-turn.

Basically he talked at length about the Great Depression. First he said we were going to suffer from inflation, and then he said we would suffer from severe deflation where homes would be worthless. He said if you own a rental, to sell it immediately. The guest speaker and Beck tag-teamed about creating a very gloomy perspective on the economy.

Beck was literally telling everyone to sell everything, and then casually mentioned Gold a few times. Again... but the guest speaker would throw in tid-bits like... "Gold is recession and depression proof..."



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Originally posted by williegoat:

Beck is always selling something, usually gold or survival food. Many of his stories end up with a sales pitch.

He was (and probably still is) a "never Trumper" but has seen the writing on the wall and has sung a different tune lately.

He is an incessant oracle of doom and gloom. I think if anyone were to listen to his show everyday for a month, they would be compelled to jump off a building.





That's pretty much what I was doing. I was off from work for a week, plus the weekend before and the weekend after. So I sat in my garage, re-organizing it, working on various projects, throwing things out, and doing some work in my workshop. I was there every day from about 9 in the morning until 3 in the afternoon... so I heard his show continuously for a week.

Rush was pretty good... Hannity is better on the radio than he is on TV... but still annoying.
Boondawg APR 21, 05:17 AM


Please tell me ya'all' do get it.
It's ALL "entertainment", and always has been.
The varying severity of the current situation dictates the loss-leader.

I know we like to pretend that the "News" USED TO BE "The Truth".
But it was NEVER that, nor was it ever intended to be, at least not how modern man see's it.
It was ALWAYS "somebody's view" (eye/ear witness).

There can only be 2 kinds of "news": You either see it yourself or are told about it by someone who saw it.
And that's as close as you'll ever get to "the truth".
It was always "This is what I saw or what I've been told"

"News" and "truth" are not the same thing, and never have been.
And we can test it!

Back in time.
A Pony Express rider rides up to your homestead and shares "news" of all he has seen & heard.
Is that "news" (to you)?
Yup.

But, is it truth?
Ummmmm.

Exactly.
It's left up to each individual to decide what they do or don't believe of the things they didn't see themselves*.

Facts and Truth are not required to exist on the same plain.
How they ever got tied together is beyond me.
It's only what you saw or someone told you they saw!
That don't make it true (fact)!

P.S. All I'm saying is the news used to sell character (i.e.trust).
Now they sell Image (i.e. pleasure).

WE are the market.
Not "Truth".

Ooooops.

*and don't even get me started on how faulty Human memory can be on what they think they saw verses what they actually saw.
It's scary how flawed it can be.

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82-T/A [At Work] APR 21, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Boondawg:


Please tell me ya'all' do get it.
It's ALL "entertainment", and always has been.
The varying severity of the current situation dictates the loss-leader.





Most radio and TV talk shows are at least some level of entertainment, and others are billed outright as comedy shows... that pretend to have news. Shows like the Rush Limbaugh show have entertainment value of course, but they are news and commentary. Whether it's the kind of news you want to hear is a different story, but it's news none the less.

Glenn Beck's program seems to be on a whole other level... and tends to be somewhat conspiratorial. Just like some of those late-night Democrat comedy news shows... there are people who believe everything they hear on them.



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Originally posted by Boondawg:

I know we like to pretend that the "News" USED TO BE "The Truth".
But it was NEVER that, nor was it ever intended to be, at least not how modern man see's it.
It was ALWAYS "somebody's view" (eye/ear witness).





News was a bit more mainstream back in the day, because the overwhelming vast majority of the country was politically centrist. So that being what it was, politics wasn't the primary thing that people discussed. For the record, I largely don't talk about politics in any given day, except when I come on here, and most of my friends are Democrats.

But with social media and the "information age," people are more "educated" on policies. I use that term loosely, because I don't know that they are getting smarter, but they're getting influenced far more by their leanings. So that being the case, news has become decidedly biased. Fox News became popular as an alternative to the other large news organizations (ABC, CBS, NBC, etc.). These news stations became heavily biased towards left-leaning philosophies. We're beyond the point where this is even debatable. They've taken this direction as much as Fox News has decided to go the other way.

But there is still truth in news. If you've ever bothered to watch One America News, you might be pretty impressed. What I like about OAN is in the way the news is presented. They literally just tell you the news, they don't give opinion while doing it.

Watch any other news station, and they say things like... "Senator Corncobber from Kansas *excoriated* Senator Fagettaboutit from New York about the Save the Babies bill."

On OAN, this would be worded like this: "In a discussion yesterday about HR2103A, the "Save the Babies" bill, Senator Corncobber from Kansas expressed disagreement to NY Senator Fagettaboutit on aspects of language used within the bill."

It's subtle... but words really do matter. The "excoriated" word is meant to get you worked up. Also... in the previous news station, it would have been said in a very emotional and leading manner. On OAN, Peter Hussion says everything relatively emotionless. This is done intentionally so as not to lead into a story with a predisposition of how you should think about it. He reads the news in the same way that Walter Cronkite did.

I know you won't like the topic, and I know you won't appreciate the content, but I want you to pay attention to the words that Patrick Hussion uses when speaking to representative Matt Gaetz. He's calm, expressive, but doesn't use any leading words. For the record, this was the only one I could really find of him:
cliffw APR 28, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I don't listen to Glen Beck by any stretch of the word ...

I just think to myself, for the people who do listen to Glenn Beck and take everything he says seriously ...



I also do not follow him but have heard him quite a bit when he was on Fox News. He kind of had me hooked. Heh, he once spoke just in front of the Alamo and I went to watch in person, .

I liked the way he exposed the CCX. The Chicago Climate Exchange. Perhaps it was not Glen Beck who put all the dots together but I saw no one else doing it. If not for Glen I never would have known about the scam.

The Chicago Climate Exchange was envisioned to be the key player in the trillion-dollar "cap and trade" market. Think New York Stock Exchange and the wealth it created. It was initially funded by a $1.1 million grant from the Joyce Foundation of Chicago, and President Obama was a board member at the time.

Glen Beck listed all the key players, initial stakeholders, who "inside traded" from the get go. It was a who's who of the Global Warming hoax and other powerful liberals (including the likes of George Soros). After the Democrats won the White House, the House and the Senate in 2008, businesses and investors flocked to the exchange, believing Congress would quickly approve the program. It almost happened.




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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
... I stopped watching Fox News about 3 years ago. It's all garbage... no better than MSNBC.

... news has become decidedly biased. Fox News became popular as an alternative to the other large news organizations (ABC, CBS, NBC, etc.). These news stations became heavily biased towards left-leaning philosophies. They've taken this direction as much as Fox News has decided to go the other way.

But there is still truth in news. If you've ever bothered to watch One America News, you might be pretty impressed. What I like about OAN is in the way the news is presented. They literally just tell you the news, they don't give opinion while doing it.

Watch any other news station, and they say things like... "Senator Corncobber from Kansas *excoriated* Senator Fagettaboutit from New York about the Save the Babies bill."

On OAN, this would be worded like this: "In a discussion yesterday about HR2103A, the "Save the Babies" bill, Senator Corncobber from Kansas expressed disagreement to NY Senator Fagettaboutit on aspects of language used within the bill."

It's subtle... but words really do matter. The "excoriated" word is meant to get you worked up. Also... in the previous news station, it would have been said in a very emotional and leading manner.

On OAN, Peter Hussion says everything relatively emotionless. This is done intentionally so as not to lead into a story with a predisposition of how you should think about it. He reads the news in the same way that Walter Cronkite did.



I watch Fox, MSNBC, CNN, and NBC. To some extent ABC and CBS. I can filter out the hyperbole and rhetoric. Just as easy as knowing if I buy one, I get one for free, no matter what the salesman / reporter says. I also do not believe that shipping is free.

I have seen OAN, its good. I do though like to hear both sides of an issue and the way it is presented gives more away about intentions than persuades me.
williegoat MAY 14, 11:37 AM

I hope everyone is paying attention.
williegoat MAY 19, 04:40 PM
The May 4, 2020 letter to Director Wray from the House Judiciary Committee: https://assets.documentclou...Christopher-Wray.pdf

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Provide this information as soon as possible but no later than May 18, 2020. Thank you for your attention to this important matter, and we trust you will respond expeditiously and completely.


May 18 was yesterday.

Dir. Wray's response:

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The story, so far: https://www.foxnews.com/pol...-jordan-mike-johnson

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Reps. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, and Mike Johnson, R-La., on Monday night said FBI Director Christopher Wray "has declined to respond" to their May 4 letter seeking information and interviews with key FBI officials after the bombshell revelations in the Michael Flynn case -- prompting the lawmakers to take matters into their own hands.