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Spektrum-87GT
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JUN 15, 01:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 4-mulaGT:
and smog isn't a real problem... the only thing thats a problem in LA is lack of circulation (bowl effect) which causes a buildup of few HCs (smell and watery eyes, boo hoo) and lack of oxygen (which is lighter than Co2)
La is the ONLY place in the US where Emission controls are justified, again due to the "Bowl effect"
I think global warming is popular because that now that they've gotten diesels to emit the same things as modern gasoline engines.........
CO2 and FREAKING WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They would of been out of the job so they needed something to make up.....
I mean seriously... you cant even flippen kill yourself properly off the stuff anymore.....  (at least very quickly...)
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The bowl effect causes it? Sure, tall building, little rain, I can buy that. It has nothing to do with the insane amount of traffic.
Only place it's justified? You've obviously never been to DC.
You do know that oxygen is important to us, right?
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/...4group1/fossil_fuels
Seriously, don't listen to scientists, what do they know. Instead, listen to idiots with political agendas. 
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Formula88
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JUN 15, 01:29 PM
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The bowl effect doesn't cause it - it just aggravates the problem. You get a temperature inversion with hot air trapped in the bowl below cooler air and it can't rise because the weight of the cold air is acting like a lid on a bowl. That just concentrates the problem.
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4-mulaGT
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JUN 15, 09:52 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Spektrum-87GT:
The bowl effect causes it? Sure, tall building, little rain, I can buy that. It has nothing to do with the insane amount of traffic.
Only place it's justified? You've obviously never been to DC.
You do know that oxygen is important to us, right?
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/...4group1/fossil_fuels
Seriously, don't listen to scientists, what do they know. Instead, listen to idiots with political agendas. |
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Yes I have been to DC, and sat in traffic...
I felt fine....
Ive sat in traffic in Chicago to....... nope nothing... I did see some water from the exhaust condense on the side of a 08 Lexus though... OH MY GOD IM GONNA SUFFOCATE!!!!!!
That article is about the least Scientific piece of crap ive ever seen. Do you want to know why that article is worth nothing?
Energy sources such as hydrogen and petroleum seem poised to replace gasoline as the main automobile fuel source
Warning #1, He has no clue what petroleum is....
CO2 emissions from a gallon of gasoline are 2421 grams per gallon, which is equivalent to 19.4 pounds of CO2 being pumped into the air for every gallon of gas.
True.... but thats such a small amount its truly negligible, even if AGW is real.
Aromatics and olefins improve engine power and efficiency, yet they produce smoke and smog
True... but again... AMOUNTS..... they are also cleaned from the air by water.
while lead additives are toxic air pollutants and benzene is a carcinogen
a. AMOUNTS AMOUNTS AMOUNTS!!!! neither enough to do any harm
b. carcinogen is just a fancy name for something that causes cancer, and about everything causes cancer by now but were not dead yet.... hmmm
An excess amount of light components in gasoline makes for an easy engine cold start, but can result in hydrocarbon loss and atmospheric pollution. Inversely, too many heavy components can cause the release of un-burnt hydrocarbons into the air.
Amounts.... = negligible, HCs are flushed from the air at some point.
Sulfur compounds present in gasoline are corrosive, have a rank odor and cause sulfur trioxide emissions
when used in context with engines, water does more corrosion damage.... due too.... take a wild guess..
while stability additives that reduce valve deposits, cause a greater amount of H, C and CO emissions.
H is impossible to get in exhaust, it always combines with O2, C is harmless.... and CO is in the hundredth of thousandths of percent in output.
Gasoline emissions also cause damage to the water and disrupt aquatic ecosystems. Nitrogen outputted from the burning of fossil fuels, can cause loss of oxygen, the death of fish, loss of biodiversity, loss of coral reefs and plant beds, and toxic algal blooms, when introduced to aquatic ecosystems.
True, they Can...
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but they haven't.....
This paints a devastating picture of the affects of gasoline emissions; but what would happen if the use of gasoline and all fossil fuels were stopped today?
So according to this guy.. we shouldn't have any ecosystem left at all by now....
What would happen??? We would all live in caves eating naturally grown plants and everybody would be happy alive and free.
utopia sounds awesome dosent it!!!
I could pick apart this article for days on end, ( I already did most of it)
It all comes down to the fact that emission science is true!!! (OMMFG WTFF BBQ!) but when applied to the real world all of it becomes negligible, because in reality its just not enough, and even the small amounts have been handled flawlessly since the beginning. It is ARROGANT to think we have that much of an effect on the ecosystem.
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Puglet01
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JUN 16, 01:08 PM
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 4-mulaGT:
CO2 emissions from a gallon of gasoline are 2421 grams per gallon, which is equivalent to 19.4 pounds of CO2 being pumped into the air for every gallon of gas.
I'm not trying to split hairs and I'm certainly not a believer in this man made global warming hype but a gallon of gasoline only weighs about 6
pounds. How could burning 6 pounds of fuel create 19.4 pounds of Co2?
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Pyrthian
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JUN 16, 01:16 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Puglet01:
CO2 emissions from a gallon of gasoline are 2421 grams per gallon, which is equivalent to 19.4 pounds of CO2 being pumped into the air for every gallon of gas.
I'm not trying to split hairs and I'm certainly not a believer in this man made global warming hype but a gallon of gasoline only weighs about 6
pounds. How could burning 6 pounds of fuel create 19.4 pounds of Co2? | |
because its gods will. this is mankinds pullution punishment, doncha know....throw your common sense away, and just believe! turn away or be turned to a pillar of salt you heratict! or maybe they are counting the whole process from dilling, refining, dispensing & driving?
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Spektrum-87GT
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JUN 16, 02:15 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Puglet01:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 4-mulaGT:
CO2 emissions from a gallon of gasoline are 2421 grams per gallon, which is equivalent to 19.4 pounds of CO2 being pumped into the air for every gallon of gas.
I'm not trying to split hairs and I'm certainly not a believer in this man made global warming hype but a gallon of gasoline only weighs about 6
pounds. How could burning 6 pounds of fuel create 19.4 pounds of Co2? |
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It's not just fuel that is burned, so are elements in the air like oxygen. The burning of the mixture of air and fuel create that number.[This message has been edited by Spektrum-87GT (edited 06-16-2008).]
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Formula88
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JUN 16, 02:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Puglet01:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 4-mulaGT:
CO2 emissions from a gallon of gasoline are 2421 grams per gallon, which is equivalent to 19.4 pounds of CO2 being pumped into the air for every gallon of gas.
I'm not trying to split hairs and I'm certainly not a believer in this man made global warming hype but a gallon of gasoline only weighs about 6
pounds. How could burning 6 pounds of fuel create 19.4 pounds of Co2? |
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I don't know if those numbers are accurate or not, but your analogy doesn't take everything into account. Remember, gas is burned to create CO2. That combines the gas with O2 from the air during combustion, so really the only part of the CO2 that comes from the gas is the Carbon itself. The O2 comes from the air. Carbon has an atomic weight of 12 and Oxygen is 8 (so O2 is 16). That means the gasoline only contributes 12/28, or 42.8% of the weight of the CO2 generated. The rest comes from the air.
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4-mulaGT
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JUN 16, 03:29 PM
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Which would grow better? A plant in downtown manhattan or one in rural new york?
According to Treehuggers downtown Manhattan would be totally UN-inhabitable by plants due to all the lead, benzene, aromatics, and other toxins in the air, right?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stor...ech/main562379.shtml
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And Nox (smog) is virtually eliminated in diesels as of about 2004 and has been gone in gasoline engines since 3-way catylitic converters came out.
whats so bad about gasoline again???
EDIT: should of payed attention in English instead of science..... UN!!!![This message has been edited by 4-mulaGT (edited 06-16-2008).]
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Phranc
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JUN 16, 03:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Puglet01:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 4-mulaGT:
CO2 emissions from a gallon of gasoline are 2421 grams per gallon, which is equivalent to 19.4 pounds of CO2 being pumped into the air for every gallon of gas.
I'm not trying to split hairs and I'm certainly not a believer in this man made global warming hype but a gallon of gasoline only weighs about 6
pounds. How could burning 6 pounds of fuel create 19.4 pounds of Co2? |
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Take a pound of steal and let it rust. Then weigh it again. I bet it weighs more. That increased weight is almost all oxygen. Rust is iron oxide, a molecule consisting of iron and oxygen. The mass of the iron in the rust molecules comes from the original nail, but the mass of the oxygen has come from the air. When rust forms on iron, the mass of the iron object is increased by the mass of the oxygen that has combined with some of the iron. A motor uses air and fuel. The two combine. In the proses you create more complex molecular structures. Thus it is possible to bind elements from two separate sources and make an enlarged weight out put.
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Pyrthian
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JUN 16, 04:34 PM
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yes, but the major gaseous products of both diesel- and gasoline-fuelled engines are not only carbon dioxide, but also water, and lower percentages of carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides as well as low molecular weight hydrocarbons and their derivatives. all kinds of oxides.
I really beleive their 19 pounds comes from all the involved processes of drilling, refining, distributing, etc. - not just the raw burn in you motor.
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