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MidEngineManiac
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OCT 02, 02:21 PM
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olejoedad
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OCT 02, 02:30 PM
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Very sad news, all around....😞
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Sage
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OCT 02, 06:31 PM
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Very sad news.
Got to go through that plane a couple years ago when the tour was at a local airport.
They gave rides in the P51...but way out of my price range.
That bomber was a rude awakening for us that were too young to have been in WWII. Gave justification to why my dad's generation is referred to as "The Greatest Generation"....IN MY OPINION.
Sorry to see the plane end up like this.....prayers for the people and their families that perished along with it.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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OCT 02, 11:14 PM
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MidEngineManiac
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OCT 17, 10:15 AM
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WBailey1041
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OCT 17, 04:22 PM
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I read the whole thing. I’m confused.
Seems normal except for the part where it crashed. Could somebody translate this?
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MidEngineManiac
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OCT 17, 04:51 PM
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Engine 4 was shut down and the prop feathered. He only had 3/4 the power he was used to, and likely due to that was low on the approach so hit the lights.
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randye
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OCT 17, 04:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by WBailey1041:
I read the whole thing. I’m confused.
Seems normal except for the part where it crashed. Could somebody translate this? |
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Not "normal" at all.
The plane was at 500 feet just after takeoff.
"one of the pilots reported to ATC that he wanted to return to the airport. At that time, the airplane was about 500 ft above ground level."
When asked why he reported a rough running engine (#4)
"The controller then asked for the reason for the return to the airport, and the pilot replied that the airplane had a “rough mag”on the No. 4 engine."
Pilot made his final approach too low and hit runway landing lights 1,000 feet before the end of the runway and then hit the ground 500 feet before the end of the runway.
"the airplane struck approach lights about 1,000 ft prior to the runway, then contacted the ground about 500 ft prior to the runway before reaching runway 6. It then veered right off the runway before colliding with vehicles and a deicing fluid tank about 1,100 ft right of the center of the runway threshold."
Investigation showed that the aircraft flaps were in the retracted, (UP), position when they should always be down for landing.
"The wreckage came to rest upright and the majority of the cabin, cockpit, and right wing were consumed by post impact fire. The landing gear was extended and measurement of the left and right wing flap jackscrews corresponded to a flaps retracted setting."
Flaps up contributed to a faster sink rate of the aircraft and precipitated hitting the runway lights.
Summary: Pilot Error[This message has been edited by randye (edited 10-17-2019).]
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williegoat
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OCT 21, 08:30 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Flaps up contributed to a faster sink rate of the aircraft and precipitated hitting the runway lights.
Summary: Pilot Error
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I was talking to a friend today who told me about bringing his Cessna 210 in with a loose injector line. He was low on power and kept his landing gear up until the last possible moment, and never put his flaps down, in order to keep enough speed and altitude to make it to the runway. When he told me this, I asked him about the B-17. He said that the pilot probably did the right thing. My friend is a VERY experienced pilot.
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randye
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OCT 21, 09:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
I was talking to a friend today who told me about bringing his Cessna 210 in with a loose injector line. He was low on power and kept his landing gear up until the last possible moment, and never put his flaps down, in order to keep enough speed and altitude to make it to the runway. When he told me this, I asked him about the B-17. He said that the pilot probably did the right thing. My friend is a VERY experienced pilot. |
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His experience is in B-17s no doubt.
B-17s had / have no problem being completely flyable, and landable, with a single engine out, even with two engines shut down.
Unless, and until, a more detailed report is published that includes an official cause determination, I'm sticking with my opinion.
"There are a lot of factors here. It may be a mechanical issue it or may not be,” NTSB board member Jennifer Homendy said Friday afternoon. Though investigators have been working since Wednesday afternoon, they have not speculated on the cause of the crash and it could be a year or more before an official determination is made."
http://www.courant.com/brea...vkmkfniza-story.html
Check back with me in a year. 
Between now and then you can watch this B-17 Emergency Operations Training Film. Start at 19:30 and see how a 3 engine landing is supposed to be done.
(2/3 flaps on base leg. Full flaps on final)[This message has been edited by randye (edited 10-21-2019).]
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