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cliffw
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MAR 02, 08:24 AM
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Get some men and go, fortify the Alamo.
In the mean time, the Republic of Texas founders were meeting in the Washington on the Brazos. TEXAS !
Declaring our desired independence from the people of color mexicans.
Today is Texas Independence Day.
In my best SGT Carter voice, ...
DO YOU HEAR ME AMERICA !
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sourmash
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MAR 02, 09:01 AM
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Weren't both those men from different states than Texas?
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maryjane
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MAR 02, 09:12 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Get some men and go, fortify the Alamo.
In the mean time, the Republic of Texas founders were meeting in the Washington on the Brazos. TEXAS !
Declaring our desired independence from the people of color mexicans.
Today is Texas Independence Day.
In my best SGT Carter voice, ...
DO YOU HEAR ME AMERICA ! |
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Weren't both those men from different states than Texas? |
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both?
Yes
Mexico did not allow permanent colonists from the US in until 1821when Mexico authorized Stephen F. Austin to form a settlement of 300 Anglo families.
By 1836, the oldest native Texican (Anglo living in Texas in that era--Mexicans living in Texas during the same period were known in Mexico as Tejanos) would have been only 15 yrs old.
The early colonists in the US were all from other nations, except the native Americans.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 03-02-2021).]
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maryjane
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MAR 02, 09:30 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Get some men and go, fortify the Alamo.
In the mean time, the Republic of Texas founders were meeting in the Washington on the Brazos. TEXAS !
Declaring our desired independence from the people of color mexicans.
Today is Texas Independence Day.
In my best SGT Carter voice, ...
DO YOU HEAR ME AMERICA ! |
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Actually, Houston wanted to "tell Travis" and Bowie, to destroy the Mexican garrison, any goods they couldn't haul, and abandon the Alamo.
The newly elected Texas Republic president Smith wouldn't allow it because Bowie had written Smith extolling the importance of holding Bexar and President Smith told Houston to leave the volunteer force in SA alone.
To be factual tho, Travis was a relatively late comer to the town of Bexar. It was Bowie that recived the order to abandon San Antonio.
Ben Milam, Edward Burelson, Stephen Austin, Tejano federalist Juan Seguin and James Neil were the Texican leaders that had originally run Mexican General Cos out of Bexar after 2 months of skirmishes Oct-Dec 1835.
Each of those had their own militia, and each militia elected their own leaders. After the battle, many of the men left Bexar and went home or elsewhere.
Bowie and his men left and met with Houston.
Neil left to look after his family who were sick, as was Neil himself. Milam was killed in the battle.
Burleson left to go join Houston, tho Houston had taken a leave of absence to negotiate a treaty with East Texas indians.
Austin, was appointed by the Texas council as emissary to the USA so he left.
Juan Seguin, was not actually at the Battle of the Alamo, but he has a very special place in Texas history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Segu%C3%ADn.
Burleson and Houston despised each other, but each realized the other's military worth.
Bowie had Houston's trust, and had left to seek counsel with Houston, and it was then, that Houston sent him back to Bexar to access the situation there and ordered him to destroy the Alamo mission, but when he arrived, found only about 100 men left there and decided it was too valuable a strategic location to abandon.
Then, Travis arrived with his own militia and some new Orleans Greys and they opted for a shared command.
Crockett and his own militia arrived, and enough volunteers to make it the famous 385 men.
The big loss was Neil, as he was the most experienced artillery commander, and after the end of the 1st battle, commanded the largest assortment of artillery west of the Mississippi including an 18pounder. An 18pounder had a cannonball with a 19.5" diameter.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 03-02-2021).]
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sourmash
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MAR 02, 09:35 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
both?
Yes
Mexico did not allow permanent colonists from the US in until 1821when Mexico authorized Stephen F. Austin to form a settlement of 300 Anglo families.
By 1836, the oldest native Texican (Anglo living in Texas in that era) would have been only 15 yrs old.
The early colonists in the US were all from other nations, except the native Americans.
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Good info, thanks. But there are no "native" people to America. They're American Indians from other lands. We're a nation of immigrants.
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maryjane
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MAR 02, 10:24 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Good info, thanks. But there are no "native" people to America. They're American Indians from other lands. We're a nation of immigrants. |
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As is + 90% of the rest of the world if one goes back far enough and the above definition is taken literally.
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cliffw
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MAR 02, 10:38 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Weren't both those men from different states than Texas? |
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They may have been from different States. Don't know, don't care. They came to Texas, which was not a State of America. What does that tell you ?
Davy Crockett, a member of Congress, said "you may all go to hell, I am going to Texas.
| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Actually, Houston wanted to tell Travis and Bowie, to destroy the Mexican garrison, any goods they couldn't haul, and abandon the Alamo.
The newly elected Texas Republic president Smith wouldn't allow it because Bowie had written Smith extolling the importance of holding Bexar and President Smith told Houston to leave the volunteer force in SA alone.
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Hmm.  Me ?
I thought Houston was the first President of the Republic of Texas.
Yes, a message was dispatched to abandon the Alamo. At the Alamo, some people did something. 186 holding off 5,000 people of color.[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 03-02-2021).]
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sourmash
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MAR 02, 11:21 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
They may have been from different States. Don't know, don't care. They came to Texas, which was not a State of America. What does that tell you ?
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It says Texas was won by an amalgamation of citizens from other states. SALUTE!, to them!
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maryjane
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MAR 02, 11:46 AM
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| quote | | I thought Houston was the first President of the Republic of Texas |
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True. Henry Smith was elected 1st governor (not president) of the provisional government of Texas prior to it winning independence.
He ran against Houston as president of the Republic but lost and soon thereafter left for Calif, where he died and is buried.
"California stands vigil over his dust but Texas is the guardian of his fame."[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 03-02-2021).]
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cliffw
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MAR 02, 04:13 PM
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