The question about Queen Mary, Preserve or Scrap? (Page 1/2)
blackrams SEP 03, 09:10 AM
After decades of rocky seas in Long Beach, Queen Mary in danger of sinking. Can it be saved?
https://www.latimes.com/cal...repairs-report-shows

In the 85 years since its maiden voyage, the RMS Queen Mary has survived rogue waves, transatlantic crossings and even a world war.

For the last five decades, it’s enjoyed a second life docked in Long Beach, riding waves of popularity and tough times as a tourist attraction.

But the historic ship is now facing its most challenging voyage yet.

After years of neglect by a string of operators, the Queen Mary is so creaky and leaky that it needs $23 million in immediate repairs, according to a trove of court documents and inspection reports released last month. There is growing concern that if something is not done soon, the ship could fall into critical disrepair and be in danger of sinking.

Can it be saved or, should it be saved?

Rams
Jake_Dragon SEP 03, 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Can it be saved or, should it be saved?

Rams



Who is paying for this repair? I say scrap it, these repairs are not going to bring it back to the level that people can live in it.
Its time has past and its time people face reality.
theogre SEP 03, 10:45 AM
Similar crap for SS United States in Philly.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_States
The "ship" is Completely Gutted because previous owners sold everything and what's left was removed for Scrap value in Turkey. And likely Still need Asbestos etc HAZMAT Abatement in a lot of sections minimum.

Now Current Owner wants Many Millions given to them to Repairs and make a Museum? Riiigght......

Battleship New Jersey across the river is in far better shape and still needs 10's to 100's of Thousand of $ per year just to have limited space for a museum and people touring it.
Many sections still have Asbestos and other HAZMAT problems And Not Allowed by DOD/Navy to restore some sections even to generate it's own electric.

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olejoedad SEP 03, 11:14 AM
Scrap the luxury steamships and restore the battleships.
blackrams SEP 03, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Scrap the luxury steamships and restore the battleships.


Historically, these ships all have some significance, just not to me (an average tax payer).

I have no issue with keeping these ships in a good state of repair if, they pay for themselves (through tourism or private donations) but, I am resistant to tax dollars supporting such endeavors.

Rams
Jake_Dragon SEP 03, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Historically, these ships all have some significance, just not to me (an average tax payer).

I have no issue with keeping these ships in a good state of repair if, they pay for themselves (through tourism or private donations) but, I am resistant to tax dollars supporting such endeavors.

Rams



Back in 2017 they estimated up to $289 million to repair the Queen Mary and bring it up to standards that people could start occupying rooms again.
Then 2018 it was determined that tourism and donations would not be enough, when Covid hit they lost all tourism money and the cost was going to fall to the company that leased the ship. That company has gone bankrupt and it will fall to Long Beach to pay for repairs if another lease is not found.
There is also a submarine floating next to the ship that is in danger of sinking.
**** that **** , cut your losses and scrap it. Its never going to capture its old glory. Its going to cost a lot of money just to scrap it and guess who will be paying for that.
FieroSTETZ SEP 03, 02:35 PM
Over the years I've been to the queen mary several times - it's an interesting bit of history, but I don't think it's worth anywhere near what they estimate it will cost to restore and refurbish. They should either permanently dry dock it so the seaworthiness isn't a factor, or tow it out and make it an honored, interesting, historic bit of an artificial reef.
BHall71 SEP 04, 05:08 PM
I say get parts of it ready for governor Bruce's office and when it sinks lock him in. Blub, blub.

Brian
rinselberg SEP 04, 05:15 PM
Turn it into an artificial reef and collect user fees from the fishes, crustacea, sponges (etc.) Payable in plankton.

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Jake_Dragon SEP 04, 06:10 PM

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Submarine could damage the Queen Mary, is the Sub taking in water and may Sink? Inspection report says Urgent repairs needed to keep ship viable in the next two years or could Capsize! The Queen Mary’s fate is once again Uncertain. The city’s biggest concerns remains the repairs and future development for the aging Queen Mary. RMS Queen Mary is a retired British ocean liner that sailed primarily on the North Atlantic Ocean from 1936 to 1967 Cunard White Star Line.

Queen Mary sailed on her maiden voyage on 27 May 1936 and won the Blue Riband that August she lost the title to SS Normandie in 1937 and recaptured it in 1938, holding it until 1952 when it was taken by the new SS United States. With the outbreak of the Second World War, she was converted into a troopship and ferried Allied soldiers during the conflict.

Following the war, Queen Mary was refitted for passenger service and along with Queen Elizabeth commenced the two-ship transatlantic passenger service for which the two ships were initially built. The two ships dominated the transatlantic passenger transportation market until the dawn of the jet age in the late 1950s. By the mid-1960s, Queen Mary was ageing and was operating at a loss.

After several years of decreased profits for Cunard Line, Queen Mary was officially retired from service in 1967. She left Southampton for the last time on 31 October 1967 and sailed to the port of Long Beach, California, United States, where she remains permanently moored. The ship serves as a tourist attraction featuring restaurants, a museum and a hotel. The ship is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. The National Trust for Historic Preservation has accepted Queen Mary as part of the Historic Hotels of America.

References:
Kelly Puente Long Beach Post