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sourmash
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SEP 27, 10:26 AM
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This is all to protect your health. They're going to fire pure blooded healthcare workers and replace them with the National Guard and foreign healthcare workers.
https://www.theguardian.com...overnor-kathy-hochul
On Sunday, Hochul attended a service at a large church in New York City, to ask Christians to help promote vaccines.
"I need you to be my apostles. I need you to go out and talk about it and say, we owe this to each other,” Hochul told congregants at the Christian Cultural Center in Brooklyn.
“Jesus taught us to love one another and how do you show that love but to care about each other enough to say, please get the vaccine because I love you and I want you to live.”
New York may use national guard to replace unvaccinated health workers
Governor Hochul outlines plans as mandate deadline looms
Reuters in New York
Sun 26 Sep 2021 13.35 EDT
The governor of New York, Kathy Hochul, is considering using the national guard and out-of-state medical workers to fill hospital staffing shortages, as tens of thousands of workers are unlikely to meet a Monday deadline for mandated Covid-19 vaccination.
The plan, outlined in a statement, would allow the governor to declare a state of emergency and thereby increase the supply of healthcare workers to include licensed professionals from other states and countries as well as retired nurses.
Hochul said the state was also looking at using national guard officers with medical training to keep hospitals and other medical facilities adequately staffed.
Some 16% of the state’s 450,000 hospital staff, or roughly 70,000 workers, have not been fully vaccinated, the governor’s office said.
“We are still in a battle against Covid to protect our loved ones,” Hochul said.
“I commend all of the healthcare workers who have stepped up to get themselves vaccinated, and I urge all remaining healthcare workers who are unvaccinated to do so now so they can continue providing care.”
The plan comes amid a broader battle between state and federal government leaders pushing for vaccine mandates to help counter the highly infectious Delta variant of the coronavirus and workers who are against inoculation requirements, some on religious grounds.
There's more at the link.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 09-27-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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SEP 27, 11:11 AM
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The un-vaccinated are not the spreaders. Mathematically speaking, they aren't sick, so they don't have it, so they can't spread it. When they do get sick, they know it. So IF they continue to mingle with others while they are sick , then they are simply called irresponsible people.
On the other hand vaccinated people are the spreaders because they go about life business as usual, the entire time not even knowing they have shedding virus and or have symptoms of an infection but shrug it off as a minor sniffle and go about their business spreading it everywhere they go. Presumably a sense of Vax security makes them care free? And to a point they should be.....to a point. Symptoms are serious and EVERYBODY, vaccinated or unvaccinated needs to take precautions (for others) when they recognize symptoms.
The math does not lie, vaxers are the spreaders. If people have never had symptoms they aren't spreading it, they aren't carrying it. AND the data shows vaccinated people have just as much viral load as unvaccinated people. The difference is an unvaxed person usually knows they have a virus, the symptoms can be obvious. The unvaxed people DO NOT always know they have and are actively spreading the virus.
So, if anyone is a responsible person, they should STAY AWAY from other people if they are showing ANY symptoms REGARDLESS of Vax status.
This is by no means a stance against vaccines, it is common sense in a World of retarded panic mongering.
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blackrams
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SEP 27, 12:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
The un-vaccinated are not the spreaders. Mathematically speaking, they aren't sick, so they don't have it, so they can't spread it. When they do get sick, they know it. So IF they continue to mingle with others while they are sick , then they are simply called irresponsible people.
On the other hand vaccinated people are the spreaders because they go about life business as usual, the entire time not even knowing they have shedding virus and or have symptoms of an infection but shrug it off as a minor sniffle and go about their business spreading it everywhere they go. Presumably a sense of Vax security makes them care free? And to a point they should be.....to a point. Symptoms are serious and EVERYBODY, vaccinated or unvaccinated needs to take precautions (for others) when they recognize symptoms.
The math does not lie, vaxers are the spreaders. If people have never had symptoms they aren't spreading it, they aren't carrying it. AND the data shows vaccinated people have just as much viral load as unvaccinated people. The difference is an unvaxed person usually knows they have a virus, the symptoms can be obvious. The unvaxed people DO NOT always know they have and are actively spreading the virus.
So, if anyone is a responsible person, they should STAY AWAY from other people if they are showing ANY symptoms REGARDLESS of Vax status.
This is by no means a stance against vaccines, it is common sense in a World of retarded panic mongering. |
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Won't argue any of that. But, I have yet to know personally any vaccinated people who got COVID (any variation) that were hospitalized or died due to COVID. I now know five unvaccinated who died (three of which contracted it from unvaccinated family members during the first 14 days of unsystematic period). This was confirmed with contact tracing post demise. We can all be "spreaders". The vaccine(s) simply reduce the systems. Just like "flu" vaccines. If one contracts COVID (of any variety) then quarantining after seeing your doc is advisable. Medical science has come a long ways since this virus was first introduce to the human population. Quite a bit of worthless advice was shared and continues to be shared but, we're learning as we go.
Rams
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SEP 27, 12:25 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
The un-vaccinated are not the spreaders. Mathematically speaking, they aren't sick, so they don't have it, so they can't spread it. When they do get sick, they know it. So IF they continue to mingle with others while they are sick , then they are simply called irresponsible people.
On the other hand vaccinated people are the spreaders because they go about life business as usual, the entire time not even knowing they have shedding virus and or have symptoms of an infection but shrug it off as a minor sniffle and go about their business spreading it everywhere they go.
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This is by no means a stance against vaccines, it is common sense in a World of retarded panic mongering. |
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Logic such as this is rare. It is what I've been doing since the beginning, there is a TON of propaganda out there, few people think for themselves.
There are many things even a child's logic could solve with this virus if there wasnt so much misinformation and political rhetoric and agenda surrounding it all.
Add to your post that everyone spreads it on surfaces if they don't clean their hands when they touch public things. They don't even talk about that anymore. It was all about masks, masks made a good symbol for them.[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 09-27-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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SEP 27, 12:45 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
But, I have yet to know personally any vaccinated people who got COVID (any variation) that were hospitalized or died due to COVID.
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We don't have to know them personally to know they exist.
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I now know five unvaccinated who died (three of which contracted it from unvaccinated family members during the first 14 days of unsystematic period). This was confirmed with contact tracing post demise.
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I can't argue, I have personally seen hundreds of covid positive people. And I am not exaggerating, hundreds.
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We can all be "spreaders". The vaccine(s) simply reduce the systems. Just like "flu" vaccines. If one contracts COVID (of any variety) then quarantining after seeing your doc is advisable. Medical science has come a long ways since this virus was first introduce to the human population. Quite a bit of worthless advice was shared and continues to be shared but, we're learning as we go.
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Agreed, the only thing I would add is that people be responsible by staying away from everybody if they suspect any symptoms vaxed or unvaxed. Of course seeking medical treatment is an exception.
Don't fall into a relaxed because I'm vaxed complacency mentally. That in my opinion is the super spreader.
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Rickady88GT
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SEP 27, 12:56 PM
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2.5
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SEP 27, 01:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
Agreed, the only thing I would add is that people be responsible by staying away from everybody if they suspect any symptoms vaxed or unvaxed. |
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Judging by all the folks that were proud to have not used sick days, who went in to work with colds or worse and spread it around (before covid), there is not a large chance of success.
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Rickady88GT
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SEP 27, 01:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
Judging by all the folks that were proud to have not used sick days, who went in to work with colds or worse and spread it around (before covid), there is not a large chance of success. |
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Responsibility is a difficult skill to wield. Some have it but don't properly apply it and other just don't seem to know what it is at all.
This is not new to covid, but I think maybe some people might pay a little more attention to personal responsibility after the blame game plays out.
I have been disappointed by coworkers coming in to work while they are clearly sick. But will call in "sick" to watch some sports event?
So, I think you may be correct, but I hope some have a better understanding of how we affect others by our own actions.
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rinselberg
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SEP 27, 04:18 PM
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"No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People"
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Craig Spencer for The Atlantic; September 23, 2021.
https://www.theatlantic.com...spread-covid/620161/
Craig Spencer is an emergency-medicine physician and director of global health in emergency medicine at New York Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center.
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| quote | | Despite concern about waning immunity, vaccines provide the best protection against infection. And if someone isn’t infected, they can’t spread the coronavirus. It’s truly that simple. Additionally, for those instances of a vaccinated person getting a breakthrough case, yes, they can be as infectious as an unvaccinated person. But they are likely contagious for a shorter period of time when compared with the unvaccinated, and they may harbor less infectious virus overall. |
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I don't think it makes that much sense to say that unvaccinated people who become infected with the virus are unlikely to become part of the chain of contagion because, without the protection of a vaccine, they are more likely than vaccinated people to become acutely or symptomatically sick with Covid, and so any unvaccinated people that become infected will also become sick and will therefore isolate themselves or go into quarantine.
The problem is that there is an incubation period for Covid. A person who becomes infected will become contagious before they become acutely sick from Covid.
My opinion, based on the various kinds of media coverage that I have consumed, is that unvaccinated people who become infected are likely to have higher viral loads than vaccinated people with breakthrough infections.
If I were placing a bet on the person who might spread the contagion to me, I would put my money on an unvaccinated person over a vaccinated person.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-27-2021).]
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Lambo nut
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SEP 27, 04:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Won't argue any of that. But, I have yet to know personally any vaccinated people who got COVID (any variation) that were hospitalized or died due to COVID. I now know five unvaccinated who died (three of which contracted it from unvaccinated family members during the first 14 days of unsystematic period). This was confirmed with contact tracing post demise. We can all be "spreaders". The vaccine(s) simply reduce the systems. Just like "flu" vaccines. If one contracts COVID (of any variety) then quarantining after seeing your doc is advisable. Medical science has come a long ways since this virus was first introduce to the human population. Quite a bit of worthless advice was shared and continues to be shared but, we're learning as we go.
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Were the three bed ridden or never left the house at all and had no visitors?
Reason I ask is, say they are five people living in a house. Four never leave and only one of them comes and goes. If all end up sick you know how it got in, not that anybody will ever know exactly where it came from. If all are coming and going and all get covid there is no way in Hell to determine where they got it through any bullsh!t contact tracing. They can guess all they want but there can be no 100% certainty.[This message has been edited by Lambo nut (edited 09-27-2021).]
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