4 year shoots at LEOs (Page 1/2)
blackrams FEB 21, 10:41 PM
4-year-old fires gun at officers during Midvale shooting incident
https://www.fox13now.com/ne...t-midvale-restaurant

Midvale shooting incident

By: Emily TencerPosted at 2:04 PM, Feb 21, 2022 and last updated 8:09 PM, Feb 21, 2022
SALT LAKE CITY — Police said a 4-year-old child fired a gun at officers on the order of their father during an incident Monday at a McDonald's in Midvale.

According to the Unified Police Department, the incident occurred at 425 West 7200 South. A man identified as Sadaat Johnson, 27, in a Honda allegedly brandished a gun at restaurant drive-thru workers after they gave him an incorrect order.

The workers called police after telling Johnson they would fix his order.

When police arrived, they were able to locate and remove the Johnson from the vehicle. However, once Johnson was outside, an officer noticed "a firearm coming outside the vehicle," according to UPD Sheriff Rosie Rivera. The officer was able to deflect the weapon, which discharged into a restaurant awning.

Police identified the person who discharged the weapon as a 4-year-old child who was allegedly told to fire the gun by their father. The child was in the backseat of the car with their three-year-old sibling.

Officers did not fire back after the child fired the weapon.

"This campaign against police officers, this needs to stop. We're here to protect and serve, and this is getting out of hand," said Rivera. "This is a child who thought it was okay to pull a firearm and shoot that firearm at police. I've never seen anything like this in my 28 years."

Although the officer was able to deflect the firearm, he did receive a small injury to his arm.

Johnson was taken into custody and faces charges of felony child abuse and threatening the use of a dangerous weapon.

Draw your own conclusions as to why stuff like this is occurring.

Rams
maryjane FEB 21, 10:44 PM

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When police arrived, they were able to locate and remove the Johnson from the vehicle.


Remove the Johnson?

Sounds painful.........
RWDPLZ FEB 21, 11:17 PM
"This is a child who thought it was okay to pull a firearm and shoot that firearm at police. I've never seen anything like this in my 28 years."

I mean, a four year old sees a bunch of bullies beating up and taking his father away, he's obviously going to think they're bad guys, regardless of what clothes they're wearing? But 1) Who the hell teaches a 4 year old to fire a gun, and 2) What kind of gun is a 4 year old able to shoot where the recoil doesn't kick the gun back into his face?
blackrams FEB 21, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by RWDPLZ:

"This is a child who thought it was okay to pull a firearm and shoot that firearm at police. I've never seen anything like this in my 28 years."

I mean, a four year old sees a bunch of bullies beating up and taking his father away, he's obviously going to think they're bad guys, regardless of what clothes they're wearing? But 1) Who the hell teaches a 4 year old to fire a gun, and 2) What kind of gun is a 4 year old able to shoot where the recoil doesn't kick the gun back into his face?



I'd suggest that everything a kid sees on TV, movies and gaming teaches kids all the stuff it takes.
It appears the difference here is, a parent who (1) allows a child to handle such a weapon and (2) apparently tells him to shoot LEOs. All based on the story in the opening post.

Reference the recoil, I'd agree. It's unlikely he could have controlled the first shot and a second would have gone anywhere but the intended target.

Rams

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82-T/A [At Work] FEB 22, 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Draw your own conclusions as to why stuff like this is occurring.





I don't know how far back I should go.

Bottom line, mental illness is becoming a bigger and bigger problem in this world. I have no idea what causes it. One thing I don't understand, is this the kind of mental illness that's "earned" if you will through a constant indoctrination of victim mentality? or... is this a mental illness that's inherent from birth?

If from birth / childhood... are there more cases of mental illness today than there were 20-30 years ago? I don't seem to remember it being this prevalent... but it could also be simply that social media has allowed people to "grow" that illness.


Either way, I think we can probably all agree that the 4 year old has no blame in this at all... this is all the fault of the parent. I can only imagine a father that would want his 4 and 3 year old to be engaged in a shootout with police. Obviously, he doesn't care about his kids... because he had to know to some degree that this could likely lead them to getting shot and killed.
steve308 FEB 22, 08:24 AM
I wonder if Sadaat Johnson is vaccinated.
sourmash FEB 22, 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:I don't know how far back I should go.

Bottom line, mental illness is becoming a bigger and bigger problem in this world. I have no idea what causes it. One thing I don't understand, is this the kind of mental illness that's "earned" if you will through a constant indoctrination of victim mentality? or... is this a mental illness that's inherent from birth?

If from birth / childhood... are there more cases of mental illness today than there were 20-30 years ago? I don't seem to remember it being this prevalent... but it could also be simply that social media has allowed people to "grow" that illness.

Either way, I think we can probably all agree that the 4 year old has no blame in this at all... this is all the fault of the parent. I can only imagine a father that would want his 4 and 3 year old to be engaged in a shootout with police. Obviously, he doesn't care about his kids... because he had to know to some degree that this could likely lead them to getting shot and killed.



When you read double plus bad (censored) websites and the articles shared there you will see scholarly evidence and peer reviewed studies showing the propensities of specific groups for the likelihood of mental illnesses including neurosis. Some groups have much higher levels.

Also, Western countries are being dispossessed and replaced with people from low trust societies. Our high trust societies change as demographics change.

That is what caused people calling for controlling immigration and protecting traditional demographics to be called mean names amd being shouted down. They responded by deeper investigation and turning up perfectly supported data even from the sources shouting them down.

When you force people to do something counter to the health of their group you get irrational responses like the article states, but you also get deeper study of causes by disaffected groups.
2.5 FEB 22, 05:01 PM
It is really too bad a person like that father reproduced.
IMSA GT FEB 22, 09:54 PM
I look forward to the day when police say "screw it" and use more deadly force to clean the garbage off the streets. It should happen fairly soon.
Jonesy FEB 24, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


I'd suggest that everything a kid sees on TV, movies and gaming teaches kids all the stuff it takes.
It appears the difference here is, a parent who (1) allows a child to handle such a weapon and (2) apparently tells him to shoot LEOs. All based on the story in the opening post.

Reference the recoil, I'd agree. It's unlikely he could have controlled the first shot and a second would have gone anywhere but the intended target.

Rams




Don't really think we can drag out the old "Its movies and video games" argument. The kid is 4 years old. Violent movies and video games aren't for him. If he is indeed exposed to such things at 4 years old, thats not a movies and video games problem. That's a parenting problem. Which is obviously the case here.

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