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ls3mach
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JUL 01, 11:41 AM
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Let me preface with, I don't think this has anything to do with Ford or GM.
I happened across a youtube video. They tested the Lightning versus a Denali both towing about a 6k trailer. The Ford barely did 90 miles, really about 1% per mile of battery. They charged at a quick charge and it was close to $27 to get back to 75%. The GMC with I guess 6.2L gas did easily double, had more than 1/4 tank left. Cost was less than $100. They were both premium tier trucks, so comparing base prices isn't fair. It was 45 minutes to get to 75%. The other guy had already went back, filled up, and was dropping off the trailer. That is the real cost of use. An F150 isn't a serious towing machine, but less than 100 miles isn't even useable for towing. I could get to a lake and back with a bass boat, but our closest actual lake property is a solid 3 hours and I took 5 hours for a wreck once.
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IMSA GT
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JUL 01, 03:23 PM
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I would never tow anything with an EV. In my opinion an EV is simply designed to get from point A to B as cheap as possible without using gasoline. The only way I can see an EV be successful at towing that weight is if it had gears.Thats why even the Tesla semi has a range of 300-500 miles per charge.
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theogre
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JUL 01, 04:17 PM
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Not just Towing kills Range of E-trucks... Just Cargo in/on the vehicle kill Range too.
I had E350 Van w/ factory tow pack because was delivering large heavy things covering a lot of PA NJ and more. Fill Once a Day to Drive All Day took about 20-30 Minutes because had 2 Fuel Tanks.
New E-trucks would never reach many places on 1 charge w/ loads pushing Max Weight the E350 allowed. Worse, Many are in Rural Areas and won't have Fast Charging likely will stay so for Decades at Best. Even w/ "Fast Charging," takes way more time to charge every time and need to charge several times per day.
E-trucks like LPG or CNG fueled Trucks and Cars are good for Fleet Operations that only drive local and go to same depot at end of the day.
Like one Power Co near me had CNG vehicles Decades ago that park in same lot and filled up over night so didn't waste Labor Hours from employees.------------------
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
(Jurassic Park)
The Ogre's Fiero Cave
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Notorio
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JUL 02, 12:03 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by IMSA GT:
I would never tow anything with an EV. In my opinion an EV is simply designed to get from point A to B as cheap as possible without using gasoline. The only way I can see an EV be successful at towing that weight is if it had gears.Thats why even the Tesla semi has a range of 300-500 miles per charge. |
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On a related note, another dubious EV application just arrived in California: Check Out the First Electric Fire Truck in the US
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Wichita
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JUL 02, 12:43 AM
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The electric vehicles deserve the criticism it has on range. But I'm still betting that electric vehicles are still far superior to ice, and will ultimately kill most all ice vehicles within 10-years.
The trends show it massively moving in that direction. Most auto manufacturers won't even be making any ice vehicles within 5-10 years anyways.
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IMSA GT
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JUL 02, 01:30 AM
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Now thats scary. A life saving device running on batteries. The worst part is that's a pumper truck so that pump can be running for hours depending on the size of the fire. You hope it doesn't die in the middle of firefighting.
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blackrams
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JUL 02, 07:01 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by IMSA GT:
Now thats scary. A life saving device running on batteries. The worst part is that's a pumper truck so that pump can be running for hours depending on the size of the fire. You hope it doesn't die in the middle of firefighting. |
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I agree. TWO HOURS of power? Hope it's only a small fire............. So, they go on a call, how long do they have to re-charge before they can go out again? Sure hope this fire truck gets assigned to a slow station. My son is a paramedic with a major FD. His station rarely gets to shut down the truck engines, they are constantly going. I have my doubts about this EV Fire Truck being the best idea. I can easily see the EV Fire Station relaying calls to other stations frequently due to re-charging time. Which means a delayed reaction time. Makes me wonder, what were they thinking.......... 
Reference an EV as a tow rig? Well, they have a long way to go and a lot of development to get an EV Tow Rig so it can be competitive with diesel rigs. Driver's and companies can't afford long recharge times, you only make money while that rig is moving.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 07-02-2022).]
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maryjane
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JUL 03, 01:38 AM
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They better get more mileage than my Electric lawnmower. 1/3 acre (including the house footprint and cement pond) and it's down to 1/4 charge.
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blackrams
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JUL 03, 10:00 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
They better get more mileage than my Electric lawnmower. 1/3 acre (including the house footprint and cement pond) and it's down to 1/4 charge. |
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Mount ya one of those solar chargers on that lectric lawn mulcher. Just don't mow at night and if you do feel the need to mow at night, use candles for lighting.
Just trying to help. 
Rams
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ls3mach
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JUL 03, 10:06 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
They better get more mileage than my Electric lawnmower. 1/3 acre (including the house footprint and cement pond) and it's down to 1/4 charge. |
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Is that what is considered a double lot in Texas? My last neighborhood they were all in about 8-10k sqft. So 1/3 acre should be just about 2 of those lots. I saw someone selling a brand new (looked) electric rider sans batteries. It was being sold for hundreds of dollars. I considered buying it, but it was solely a flip.
I'm fairly sure our local UPS uses CNG or LPN in their delivery fleet. I met a kid *still an adult) maybe a decade ago and his parents had bought him an NG Civic I want to say. Hev was up living in Oklahoma trying to save money for a car. His parents had bought it in a way to control him. There was no reasonable way with his range (around 100 miles) to drive the car back to OKC from Houston. One parent has bought it to keep him from he other or whatever, but it got so bad he was an adult, took a bus, and essentially was starting over. I see one on my walks and wonder if it is the same one rofl.
My friend took his GM dual fuel to the dealership. Just a few years old. He was a salesmen had put over 200k on it and limped it into go trade it off. Hev was having to fill CNG every day and his tank with gas too since there are no stations to be found. I think it was a 10k option and it was 100% not worth it he said. I on multiple occasions hasd to deliver for him. In addition to losing a TON of space for the tank, he also added a toolbox to lock up samples. Then it being a 4 door half ton only had a 5.5' bed. I only mention this story because this cost him tons. This was when gas was huge prices under Obama years ago. A couple of the other guys sid conversions on our diesels. It isn't something any of them ever did again. Besides giving up the bed it was always a hassle. I got lucky and the dealer sold a gas dual fuel out from under me. I was pissed then, but after hearing all my friends: grateful.
Neither trucks are serious tow machines in the video, but under 100 miles isn't even a lake trip. Boats wouldn't likely have the profile, but 6k isn't a super heavy load.
I'm not sold on the immense electric acceleration, but it is goofy fast. I won't be looking at an EV truck. I'd consider a Maverick, but you can't even find them. I'm just thinking about how they range vs the weight added to the vehicle so much effects the range. 100 gallons of fuel in a truck is a lot of weight, but that would give virtually unlimited range. You could never get the weight down to rival it in an electric.
I totally see most vehicles going to this. Tiny likelier 100 mile cars. California and other countries will be first. You can knock down 100 miles going to dinner in the Heartland. I see them getting silly cheap and disposable. Millennials*** and younger especially. In their defense a 2k car solely for A-B trips wouldn't bother me terribly. The new Honda Navi is only that much if you can find one.
***I've recently learned the age is from 1980-1995. I swear this has to have changed as I was never considered a millennial and don't think the world is out to specifically get me. Whatever though.
Edit.
If anyone watched the video though. All things being equal $27 to get 75% seems maybe more expensive than the gas truck.[This message has been edited by ls3mach (edited 07-03-2022).]
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