Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day (Page 1/1)
Sage DEC 07, 10:18 AM



williegoat DEC 07, 10:31 AM
We will never forget, but others already have forgotten.
When no one remembers, we will have to learn all over again.
TheDigitalAlchemist DEC 07, 10:34 AM
Thank you for the reminder.

Japan attacked the US and it led to us going to war.

From Wikipedia: "The attack on Pearl Harbor was a surprise military strike by the Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service upon the United States against the naval base at Pearl Harbor in Honolulu, Territory of Hawaii, just before 8:00 a.m. on Sunday, December 7, 1941"
cliffw DEC 07, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist:

Thank you for the reminder.

Japan attacked the US and it led to us going to war.

From Wikipedia: "The attack on Pearl Harbor was a surprise military strike by the Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service upon the United States against the naval base at Pearl Harbor in Honolulu, Territory of Hawaii, just before 8:00 a.m. on Sunday, December 7, 1941"



Yesterday I watched a documentary on the event, with surviving participants giving their account.

At one point, I think a week before, some Naval Officer looked out over the harbor, battleship row, and said, "my that is a wonderful military target".
maryjane DEC 07, 11:32 AM
Ever wonder why you can't see the main batteries of USS Arizona--or the superstructure?

They were removed and used to repair and arm other ships as well as some of the primary battery guns given to the Army to use for coastal defence.

An intetesting read, of all the salvage and repair operations immediately after the attack. A huge undertaking that took months but they did a heck of a job.

https://www.nps.gov/parkhis...usar/scrs/scrs2n.htm
Jake_Dragon DEC 07, 01:03 PM
Most young people and the rest of the world seem to only remember what we did to them.
They started it and were never going to stop, they were indoctrinated from birth. Its a shame all around but you can't wash history, you can't just live in today.
RIP
82-T/A [At Work] DEC 07, 01:14 PM
It used to really bother me, at my last job, that the younger people were so passive and dismissive about 9/11. Unfortunately, all that they'd really learned about it is that some people did a bad thing, and America became racist. I'll not discuss that part, other than to say that I did a little self reflection, and recognized that I myself was fairly "passive" about Pearl Harbor.

Obviously, I care... but I do not have the same emotional attachment to Pearl Harbor as I do to 9/11... any more than I do the Maine... which I'm supposed to remember. I think that was a ship that sank and it had something to do with Cuba? I can't remember. Or the Liberty... or the Alamo. For me, almost all of these are simply events that happened in history. I didn't know anyone in WTC, and I'd only been there a couple of times as a kid as a tourist. 9/11 means more to me because it happened when I was... what, 23? I only remembered the Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton administrations... all of which were for the most part, really successful points in history. Things were good. About the ONLY horrible thing I remember from my childhood was the Challenger disaster. My childhood was fantastic. I had a very false sense of the life I'd lived. I was lucky enough that as a child, my parents took a lot of vacations and I saw total abject poverty in a number of third world countries. I also knew that really horrible things happened... but those were "other places." When 9/11 happened... because of how I was raised, it dramatically affected me because it kind of shook what I considered to be norms. It's like that thing you used to hear on the news from the neighbor of a victim, "...these things happen to other people, not in our home town."

So when I work with people today who are in their early 20s... even their late 20s... I have to understand, they have the same perspective to Pearl Harbor, as I've had to 9/11.

What I do really, really appreciate though... is the Pearl Harbor memorial. I've had the opportunity to visit it, and I was very moved. It was very tastefully done, every part of it.
Raydar DEC 07, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

It used to really bother me, at my last job, that the younger people were so passive and dismissive about 9/11. Unfortunately, all that they'd really learned about it is that some people did a bad thing, and America became racist. I'll not discuss that part, other than to say that I did a little self reflection, and recognized that I myself was fairly "passive" about Pearl Harbor.
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I'm 65, so I'm fairly "removed" from Pearl Harbor. I won't say "passive", because I still remember my dad talking about listening to the radio with my mom, and hearing the announcement on the radio.
He was involved in the war, but not in the Pacific.

But things change. We are now, I suppose, allies of the Japanese. Their entire imperialistic thought process and aspirations were disassembled by the events of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They surrendered in shame.

Now... 9/11 is a different story (not to take this off subject) I watched nearly the whole thing unfold on television. And we're still fighting in the Middle East (in spite of what Brandon is telling us.)
Too bad we now have ridiculous "rules of engagement".
rinselberg DEC 08, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Most young people and the rest of the world seem to only remember what we did to them. They started it and were never going to stop, they were indoctrinated from birth. Its a shame all around but you can't wash history, you can't just live in today.


It's common for people to have shallow and very incomplete narratives in their minds about historical events such as the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. It's not just young people. And it goes for all of human history, not just the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor or the war that it provoked.

I think I should count myself fortunate not to have been alive and sentient while any of that Pearl Harbor and subsequent WW2 history was actually being made. Even just having to have read about it in a newspaper as the day's news... I'd rather have experienced the history I've actually lived within, despite its many drawbacks as the stage design that frames the production of my stream of consciousness.

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Jake_Dragon DEC 08, 02:36 AM
My grandfather talked about Pearl Harbor. He was very hateful but I understand it. He was the first male role model I had and I listened to all of his stories.
I know he was stationed at Pearl Harbor before the attack but from what I understand he was back in the states when it happened.

If you are ever in LA don't miss the chance to visit the Battleship USS Iowa and S.S. Lane Victory. Read some of the news clippings and just take in what it must have been like aboard these ships during the war.
The smells and all that gray paint really take me back to my time in the Navy.
Its been a couple of years due to Covid, perhaps we will take a drive over this weekend and see how the restoration is going.


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