Can Canada be depended on in a crisis? (Page 1/9)
blackrams JAN 25, 06:50 AM
Canada's broken tanks evince an unserious security partner

https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...476dbec49009594c8ed3

Rather disconcerting article if it's accurate.
It's one thing to be a neighbor and trading partner. The question is, are they willing to pull their fair share of the load. Doesn't appear that way.

Rams

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MidEngineManiac JAN 25, 10:26 AM
Liberal leadership. Ya get what you ask for.

Canada's military has become a joke. There are plenty of willing guys in the country, but the libs have turned it into an elitist day-camp.

Just after dad died in '14 I went to a requiting office to get back in. I figured with all the civy licenses and experience no problem doing 15 years as a tech of some sort and easy pension.

Ya right.

They wanted at least one and preferably more university degrees, as well as passing a "personality" test of some sort or along those lines (code for P-C-ness-wokeness evaluation). I dunno exactly, by that point I wasn't really listening to the guy and busy picking my jaw off the floor over what they wanted to turn a wrench.

Only took 12 years of wishy-washy to get this done. And no, we probably dont have enough guys to fix those either right now. They are all busy doing it somewhere less liberal.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/pol...r-jet-deal-1.6707769

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blackrams JAN 25, 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

Liberal leadership. Ya get what you ask for.

Canada's military has become a joke. There are plenty of willing guys in the country, but the libs have turned it into an elitist day-camp.

Just after dad died in '14 I went to a requiting office to get back in. I figured with all the civy licenses and experience no problem doing 15 years as a tech of some sort and easy pension.

Ya right.

They wanted at least one and preferably more university degrees, as well as passing a "personality" test of some sort or along those lines (code for P-C-ness-wokeness evaluation). I dunno exactly, by that point I wasn't really listening to the guy and busy picking my jaw off the floor over what they wanted to turn a wrench.

Only took 12 years of wishy-washy to get this done. And no, we probably dont have enough guys to fix those either right now. They are all busy doing it somewhere less liberal.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/pol...r-jet-deal-1.6707769




Well, that's comforting........................

Rams
maryjane JAN 25, 10:41 AM
In this age of anti armor missile technology, I'm not sure how important main battle tanks would be anyway.
All modern tanks are high maintenance and a sudden infux of them to the Ukranians begs the? who will dothe work on them?
Abrams are gas turbine powered and definitely high tech in their target acquisition.
Leopard2 is a good tank but they've been around since '79 too. Many of the Leopard2 derivatives across Europe /Nato use a fire control system licensed by USA Hughes aircraft. They are very similar in that aspect to the Abrahms in regard to1st hit probability.
FCS is the heart of any modern tank. There's no more sighting thru a periscope or visually out a vent hole.
blackrams JAN 25, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

In this age of anti armor missile technology, I'm not sure how important main battle tanks would be anyway.
All modern tanks are high maintenance and a sudden infux of them to the Ukranians begs the? who will dothe work on them?
Abrams are gas turbine powered and definitely high tech in their target acquisition.
Leopard2 is a good tank but they've been around since '79 too. Many of the Leopard2 derivatives across Europe /Nato use a fire control system licensed by USA Hughes aircraft. They are very similar in that aspect to the Abrahms in regard to1st hit probability.
FCS is the heart of any modern tank. There's no more sighting thru a periscope or visually out a vent hole.



I'm not sure either, been away from all that for quite a while but, the fact is, Ukraine is asking for tanks, they think that's what they need. Agreed that between the anti-armor and drone technology, there's a problem but, the Ukrainians seem to know what they want. But, the fact that Canada isn't keeping their military up to a NATO standard should concern other NATO countries. Maybe not.

Rams
MidEngineManiac JAN 25, 11:27 AM
Canada has become a place where anything to do with government at any level is an endless education/training cycle.

New brand of T.P. ?.....

You need a 6-week course and certificate before you can wipe yer azz with it.
maryjane JAN 25, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


Well, that's comforting........................

Rams



Most of the time, US branches of service want/prefer at least an associate degree for most mos.
Today's military is much more than just rifles and bayonets, even for infantry..
blackrams JAN 25, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:


Most of the time, US branches of service want/prefer at least an associate degree for most mos.
Today's military is much more than just rifles and bayonets, even for infantry..



Not sure why you felt the need to point that out to me but, OK. It was MEM's point, not mine.
But, given the present state of our military and its inability to meet recruiting needs, preferring/wanting a certain level of education and securing that are two totally different things. Even in the Infantry.

Rams

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MidEngineManiac JAN 25, 03:07 PM
USED to be (Used to)

Trade certifications, on-the-job training, and plain old experience were a perfectly acceptable substitute for a degree.

Preferable, in some cases.
Jake_Dragon JAN 25, 03:32 PM
When you send all of your repairs to a contractor there is no need for a monkey at the end of a wrench.
Face it, you have been outsourced and now all they want is educated button pushers.

Use to be the armed forces was a good place to get an education, trade. Now what are they teaching?