Surprised no-one posted about this yet. Missing OceanGate submarine (Page 1/3) Cliff Pennock JUN 22, 11:42 AM Please don't turn this into a "ridiculous they spend so much resources on rescuing 5 persons while millions of people are starving around the world" thread. With the money we've spent on our Fieros, we could have saved a few kids from starvation ourselves (not sure if I should put a smiley here, but you get my point). So what do you think happened? Personally, I think the sub had some catastrophic failure and imploded. I know they heard banging noises but that really could be anything. The story they heard the noises "on the hour and on the half hour" is I think a misquote from someone who said "IF the banging was on the hour and on the half hour, we would know for sure it came from the submarine". And now everybody is quoting that as that is what actually happened (unless somebody could point me to a source where they say this is what they actually heard?). Cliff Pennock JUN 22, 11:46 AM I have read somewhere however, that the sub was designed to resurface after 24 hours no matter what. That the ballast was attached to the sub with special ropes that would deteriorate after being submerged for 24 hours. Raydar JUN 22, 11:56 AM Lots of stories floating around. I heard that there were some serious electrical issues with it, a while back. They were supposedly "repaired". Also heard that the owner declined to have the sub inspected and "certified", because it was too expensive. (Kind of "poetic justice" that that owner is one of the passengers. Not that that helps anything.) I think the issues were/are electrical. But I hadn't heard about the "auto re-surface" scenario. But it it's true, it would explain why they are expending so much effort doing surface searches. Even if it's on the surface, they still gotta get them out. Cliff Pennock JUN 22, 12:12 PM This just in: quote US Coast Guard says debris field has been discovered within the Titanic submersible search area The US Coast Guard says a debris field was discovered by a remotely operated vehicle near the Titanic submersible search area, and authorities are “evaluating the information,” officials tweeted Thursday. It is unclear if this debris field is connected to the missing submersible. cvxjet JUN 22, 12:40 PM A) The "Debris field" would explain why it had not surfaced (I hadn't heard of the "auto-resurface" feature) B) Seems like a very smart thing to do would be an automatic BEACON so the sub could be >>>>Located<<< easily... C) Amazingly, it does NOT have a loop on the top for a lifting rope/hook for rescue?! D) The guy running this things sounds like a very arrogant FOOL....I have invented a couple of things (Nothing that would really make any money) but I have also had a few fails- You always need to be a "Neutral observer" for your own stuff...Putting your head down and chanting "I am PREFECT" can easily lead to death at the bottom of the ocean- or other locales! Sadly, I think these people are toast.... Raydar JUN 22, 02:14 PM quote Originally posted by cvxjet: The guy running this things sounds like a very arrogant FOOL... I just stumbled across this. "▫️In 2018 OceanGate (aka CEO Stockton Rush) fired David Lochridge. Why? Because Lochridge held a meeting about the ✨safety concerns✨ of the Titan. Lochridge raised concerns about the lack of non-destructive testing of the hull’s experimental design. This design included a hull that utilized carbon fiber, rather than metallic composition, that would carry passengers to a depth of 4000meters—a depth that has never been reached by an OceanGate manned submersible made of carbon fiber. Lochridge was told that no testing existed to test the hull for delaminations, porosity or insufficient glue adhesion due to the thickness of the hull and that OceanGate would rely on their own acoustic monitoring system to detect any breakdown of the hull. Lochridge again raised concerns that the acoustic monitoring system would only warn of submersible failure milliseconds before 𝙘𝙖𝙩𝙖𝙨𝙩𝙧𝙤𝙥𝙝𝙞𝙘 implosion—and would not warn of any flaws in the submersible prior to putting pressure on the hull. Lochridge was then fired and given 10 minutes to clear out his desk and leave. ▫️Stockton used a viewport on the Titan that the manufacturer only certifies to a pressure of 1300 meters, due to the viewport not being within ‘Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy’ or PVHO standards—knowing he intended to take passengers to 4000meters. ✨OceanGate -refused- to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the requirements for a depth of 4000meters✨ ▫️After Lochridge’s firing, the Titan was tested at increasing depths, including up to 4000m in the Bahamas. Stockton then admitted that the Titan’s hull showed signs of “cyclic fatigue” and the Titan’s rating was reduced to a maximum of 3000m (not enough to get to the titanic.) Stockton then claims that “detailed engineering and development work was done under a $5million contract with the University of Washington’s Applied Physics Laboratory.” But, the University of Washington says their laboratory has never dealt with design nor engineering for the Titan. 😬 ▫️On the first dive to the Titanic, in 2021, the submersible encountered a battery issue and had to be manually attached to its lifting platform. OceanGate decided to cancel the second mission for “repairs and operational enhancements” after the vessel “sustained modest damage to its external components.” In November 2022, the submersible lost contact with the surface crew for about five hours during his expedition and a mechanical issue forced the vessel to abort after making it 37 feet down. ▫️Most marine operations require charted vessels to be classed by an independent group such as the American Bureau of Shipping (ABS), DNV/GL, Lloyd’s Register, etc—Stockton refused. He refused because classing a vessel can be a multiyear process and didn’t want to “slow his innovation,” because the Titan’s features were outside of preexisting standards. He also claims that the majority of marine accidents are due to operator error, rather than design. He feels that the classing process is solely to weed out unsatisfactory designs and builders and does nothing to weed out subpar operators. Also in regards to classing, a letter from the Marine Technology Society, an industry group made up of ocean engineers, technologists, policymakers and educators, was written to OceanGate/Stockton in 2018. The Marine Technology Society was critical of OceanGate issuing marketing material that stated the Titan design would “meet or exceed the DNV-GL safety standards” while apparently not intending to have the vessel assessed by that same organization. In its letter, the Marine Technology Society wrote: “We recommend that at a minimum, you institute a prototype testing program that is reviewed and witnessed by DNV-GL.” OceanGate refused to do so. 🤡 𝙏𝙇𝘿𝙍: 𝘚𝘵𝘰𝘤𝘬𝘵𝘰𝘯 𝘙𝘶𝘴𝘩 𝘬𝘯𝘦𝘸 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘛𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘯 𝘸𝘢𝘴𝘯’𝘵 𝘦𝘲𝘶𝘪𝘱𝘱𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘢 4000𝘮 𝘦𝘹𝘱𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 & 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘰𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘶𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘵𝘰 𝘤𝘰𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘣𝘮𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘦𝘴’ 𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘶𝘦𝘴, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘳𝘦𝘧𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘨𝘳𝘦𝘦𝘥, 𝘦𝘨𝘰 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘵𝘭𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵." Cliff Pennock JUN 22, 03:12 PM quote Debris was "consistent with catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber," Coast Guard says The debris found on the sea floor was "consistent with the catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber," the Coast Guard said. The remotely operated vehicle (ROV) found the tail cone of the Titan on the sea floor about 1,600 feet away from the bow of the Titanic and other debris nearby, according to Rear Adm. John Mauger, the First Coast Guard District commander. The debris was analyzed by experts, he said, and the families of the passengers were notified. 😔 Cliff Pennock JUN 22, 03:15 PM At least death was instantaneously, and they didn't suffer... olejoedad JUN 22, 03:21 PM I wonder if the CEO's backup plan was to disappear with a wad of cash.....🤔 Sad for the victims and their loved ones. 😟 cvxjet JUN 22, 04:00 PM This just found on MS news; Debris consistent with 'catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber' Coast Guard officials said a remote-operated vehicle found the tail cone of the Titan submersible about 1,600 feet from the bow of the Titanic Thursday morning. Additional debris found was "consistent with the catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber," Rear Adm. John Mauger, the First Coast Guard District commander, said during a press briefing. The passengers' families were immediately notified. Five major pieces of debris were found, including the nose cone, officials said. The debris indicates there was a "catastrophic implosion" of the vessel, Mauger said. It's too early to tell when the implosion occurred, officials said.