Ebay scammer?? You be the Judge (Page 2/28)
IwannaIRM JUL 20, 02:17 AM
I don't feel you got scammed. Misinterpreted an ebay ad? Probably. But I didn't get any indication by the ad that this steering wheel was new or that it was new, just out-of-the box, and riding around in a trailer for 1000 miles. It is clear that it was installed on the car and that the car is trailered. At least that's how I read it.

The ad clearly shows that the item is "USED" and with the statement "almost brand new" leads one to believe it is not new but in great used condition. To what extent, that's to each individual's interpretation.

Other than the spelling and grammar mistakes in the ebay ad I don't see where he mislead you into buying an item that wasn't as described.

Just my opinion. Others may see it differently.
Emc209i JUL 20, 02:57 AM
....you were shopping for mint parts on ebay without asking questions...... Then you threaten with a lawsuit... how lame. I've staved off insulting you about three times now - despite your consistant attacks on me - but this is merited: You are an idiot with a child's demeanor.

I strongly vote nay on refund. He doesn't even have a case against you Vince, ignore him.

Oh my godddd the irony: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/037607.html *shakes head in disgust*
CowsPatoot JUL 20, 03:19 AM
I generally try to stay out of these things...but this just asks for my opinion.

There is a difference between reproduction and remanufactured. One indicates newly made to represent the original....one indicates a reconditioned original. The Fiero Store clearly states that it is the former. The ebay ad clearly states that it is for a Fiero GT, which is confirmed by the fact that it was purchased from the Fiero Store (which you have not disagreed with). I have seen nothing to indicate that you received anything other than stated, only that it isn't as accurate of a representation as you expected.

I hate to see anyone get something that they didn't intend to purchase...but it is a risk you take when you buy an item sight unseen. I don't feel he deceived you in any way...I think you looked too deep into it and didn't verify what you were purchasing.
F-I-E-R-O JUL 20, 03:37 AM
I don't know if this is still available, but thought I'd mention it anyway...

http://www.chooseyouritem.c...s/108000/108115.html

Description:
GT Steering wheel. Brown leather with black spokes and horn button. In Excellent condition $75.00 plus shipping.

Doesn't look like this one on eBay though...


Example of an original....


If you're not familiar with or have a keen eye for detail, they're almost identical except just above 9 and 3 o'clock where the stitching around the wheel is much different and higher on the eBay version. Personally, I'd rather have the one with the higher stitch as having it close to the cross bar would bother me when I drive. Too bad there isn't some way to change/dye the thread to brown. The more I look at it, the more I like the eBay version...

BTW, the one I have is gray, which wouldn't work for you.
Whuffo JUL 20, 05:33 AM
The steering wheel in that auction is one that came from the Fiero Store - I've got one just like it in my gold car.

The Fiero Store's "reproduction" is different from the stock wheel in several ways. One is the black stitching, another is that this wheel is about an inch smaller in diameter and has a fatter rim. It has finger grips on the back; it's not a smooth rim. And it's a lot lighter than the original Fiero wheel; primarily because the rim is hollow.

If you're looking for an exact replacement for the original Fiero GT wheel then this one isn't for you.

But it looks right and feels good in the hands; if you're not fussy about "just like Pontiac made it" then this might be the steering wheel for you.
Oreif JUL 20, 07:36 AM
Just going by the Ebay Ad, I don't think he misrepresented what he was selling. "It is a steering wheel FOR a Fiero GT."
Although he did not go into detail about it being a reproduction, (I would have at least mentioned it if I was the seller.) He also does not say it was OEM or NOS either.
From my viewpoint I don't think you were "scammed" because it was not intentionally misrepresented.
If the ad claimed OEM or NOS then he would be scamming people because he knew it was not.
Instead he just listed a basic ad stating he was selling a steering wheel for a Fiero GT.
Personally I feel if you are selling something on Ebay you should give a very detailed ad,
but if the ad lacks details then I would have asked questions prior to bidding.

Anyhow, The above is just my opinion.
topcat JUL 20, 08:00 AM
My thoughts are the same as Oreif's Has he stated NOS, then you'd have a strong case of being decieved. Had I wanted a replacement for a show car, I would have asked a few questions before buying to make sure I was getting what I wanted since the ad was not very detailed.

As far as getting lawyers involved.... It seemed a little premature in my opinion.
chrisgtp JUL 20, 08:19 AM
you need to ask more questions you got what was listed and what was described in the listing. the fact that your super anal about your car is your deal. i vote no refund its still a good shape wheel put it back on ebay and stop being a ***** . lawyers are whats wrong with this word (disclaimer I also have a few layer friends) just for shits and grins i called 2 of them and had them look at this post and they started laughing. they said who ever your lawyer bud's where full of **** .
SuperchargedV6 JUL 20, 08:40 AM
Hmmm, I guess if he was being honest it would be nothing to take it back and resell it. I clearly asked to rectify it twice with him making it clear he wasn't going to on the 1st email. He new he got his money back as he sold it off and that was it.

I guess some retread tires, states as almost new would be fine then,, or maybe a cubic zirconia diamond as almost new instead of a real diamond is also ok as it is not misrepresented. How about a almost new car that was in a wreck but completely redone. I guess these people should make sure they email and ask questions instead of a honest seller describing it fully.

All of these things are wrong . You would not be able to get away with it so just because it is a $110.00 steering wheel doesn't make it right. As much as there is no statement of OEM there is not of Reproduction stated and like I stated if The Fiero Store did this they would be in trouble and atleast they would take it back,, but according to some it is ok for EBay or private sellers to do it?? Rick
avengador1 JUL 20, 09:23 AM
I'm sorry, but I don't think you were scammed. His item description was accurate but it may not have been as complete as it could have been. Nobody is perfect so this is to be expected. However, this does not constitute scamming and is why you should have asked more questions about this item and requested more pictures before you bid on it. I'm sure he would have obliged your request for these things and it would have saved you time, money, and ill feelings from any misunderstanding.
If you don't like it, put it back on Ebay yourself, as it is yours now and he doesn't have to take it back as the deal is concluded and this was a private sell. The item is for a Fiero and is a reproduction. If you wanted an actual original item you should been more careful in what you bid on and made sure you asked plenty of questions about it. The only person who scammed you was yourself by not being thorough enough.
It's a good thing you brought this up on the forum, as you can now see that you were wrong in accusing this person of scamming you.
I don't think you are going to find too much sympathy here for your mistake. If you truly want to nitpick, the best thing you can do for your steering wheel is to find someone to recover it, then you will truly have the "original" wheel, except it will have been restored.

[This message has been edited by avengador1 (edited 07-20-2007).]