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WhiteDevil88
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JUN 08, 01:42 AM
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quote | Originally posted by Archie: Did any of you bigshots ever wonder why all the posts in RFT vs teh World were deleted right after Daytona?
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No, why don't you tell me why I archived threads? I'm dying to see how that ties in with you. ------------------ Pleased to meet you, I hope you've guessed my name.
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fieroX
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JUN 08, 02:00 AM
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Fastback 86
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JUN 08, 02:28 AM
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If you're going to lie about your product, wouldn't it be a better idea to lie so it makes your work look BETTER? I don't see the logic in lying about your work so it looks worse. Why not call it a 305, that would look better.
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crzyone
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JUN 08, 02:32 AM
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quote | Originally posted by Archie:
Well, you know how Shaunbag is all the time giving out mis-information & telling lies............ Wellllll during the several weeks running up to the Daytona show, I did a little Shaunbagging. I told everyone it was a 377 but it actually is just a 350 crank in a 350 block.
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Wow....
There was a time I respected you. I had an LT1 all ready to be put into my fiero, sent money to you for the video so I could see how involved the install was... Never got the vid or my money back.
I was really curious to why a 377ci sbc was only making that much power only to be called a shaunbag nutswinger. Either you are making wild excuses for your "377" or you really did make a lame attempt to fool shaun.
So what is it? Is it a 350 out of a 1983 truck with spraypaint or are you claiming the dyno operator purposly messed with your numbers? Your story is not adding up.
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darkhorizon
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JUN 08, 03:04 AM
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What is the story here? Why would you lie about what motor you had in at the first place (the dyno operator was your best friend, so now lies there unless they were intentional) now that it underpreformed to what even a stock 350 would preform, your now chaning your story to show that you then lied about what motor was orgianaly thought to be in it, to cover the fact it just dyno'ed a junk number for having 3x the cubic inches of comperable dyno'ing motors.
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Formula88
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JUN 08, 04:51 AM
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quote | Originally posted by darkhorizon:
it underpreformed to what even a stock 350 would preform |
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Define "stock 350" please. Do you have any idea how many different versions there have been of the 350 over the years? With "stock" HP ratings from around 150 HP to at least 370 HP.
The dyno vid shows 230 RWHP. I don't know the specs on the engine, and I can't tell the difference between a 350 and 400 block by the freeze plugs, but I do know a GM Goodwrench crate 350 is rated about 265 HP (IIRC - I'll double check that and edit, if needed). So, 230HP from an engine rated at 250 - 260 HP would seem right on the numbers. If that's the setup Archie had. The 8.5:1 CR suggests it's a Goodwrench engine or similar build.
By comparison, Orief has a ZZ4 rated at 355 HP and his put over 300 HP to the rear wheels.
Speed costs money. The difference between a 200 HP 350 and a 400 HP 350 is just how wide you want to open your wallet.
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Kohburn
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JUN 08, 07:38 AM
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quote | Originally posted by Formula88: Speed costs money. The difference between a 200 HP 350 and a 400 HP 350 is just how wide you want to open your wallet. |
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yes - we all know that 350's can perform - so the reason shaun hassles archie so much is because archies swaps don't perform and he makes silly excuses for them all the while he says rediculous things like how "v8's make so much power that they don't need things like cold air intakes" then slapps a poorly tuned carb on it, some crush bent exhaust, and talks it up like its the best thing since sliced bread.
I once wanted a v8 fiero and contacted archie (some 9 years ago) but was turned off by his attitude and the rediculous claims he makes. i'd rather have a 400whp v6 than a 200whp v8
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Oreif
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JUN 08, 07:55 AM
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quote | Originally posted by Leafy:
They're scared that they might be slammed for paying rediculous prices for your kit, to get about the same amount of wheel horsepower as an SRT-4. They don't post because of the crappy numbers they've produced on the Dyno, and when it is posted? Low and behold, they're CRAPPY numbers.
Then comes the load of excuses about the dyno being off, or the climate, etc, etc.
I'll stick with my Supercharged Ecotec Cobalt SS that makes about the same to the wheels, and gets better gas mileage too.
There are better alternatives out there it seems, out of the vast variety of engines available to swap into a Fiero, it's known that only the hard core "Hot Rodders" or "Boyd Coddington Wanabes" will pay so much for so little. What's the appeal? The V8 sound? It certainly isn't the bad gas mileage, or the percieved lack of horsepower...
Let's take Crzyone for an example: He spends about as much as you would be spending on your kit, and engine to do his northstar swap... Low and Behold? The car makes more power, more Torque and will run Faster in the 1/4 mile.
Archie, why don't you do something DIFFERENT? Why not strive to be the best, make the most HP, etc. You would get my attention if I saw a Fiero that make 600 hp at the wheels, why can't you or won't you do it? All I've smelt over 5 years is stink. SBC's should be making more power and you know it. So why the excuses? Let's see it.
SELL ME ON YOUR PRODUCT.
A potential Customer,
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350 ZZ4 355hp/405tq (GM rating) Dyno results = 309 RWHP 1/4 mile time = 12.34@111mph
Ever notice how Shaunna always forgets that there are other V-8 Fieros that actually have dyno'd and or ran on the track that are faster then he claims? Oh that's right, That would go against what he is attempting to claim.
This is what gets me, Shaunna always complains that V-8 swaps are low horsepower and that the engines are not built right then he blames Archie. The problem is Archie never claims to be an "engine builder" all he does is make a kit to install a Chevy small block V-8 into a Fiero. He just uses crate engines or owner supplied engines. If the person who buys the kit installs a 250-270hp LM1 engine (or has Archie install the kit/engine for them) of course it's going to only put out low 200hp to the wheels. Also if the owner comes up and says he has a 400hp motor to install and then uses Archie's kit but later dyno's less, How is it Archie's fault? Did the guy show engine dyno's to prove the engine was a 400hp engine to begin with?? Does Archie really need to care what the owner "claims" the engine makes? It is up to the owner to decide what engine to use. As for the kit, Tina has a built 383 and dyno'd over 400 rwhp. She has been racing the car on a drag strip for a number of years. Aside from a few transaxles being killed, The actual Archie kit has held up fine. The transaxles breaking has nothing to do with the V-8 install, It is a factor of power. FieroX doesn't have a V-8 but he has one screaming turbo V-6 and still has problems getting all the power to the ground. MotorTV has a built up Turbo LT1 and has no problems with the install kit as well. I have had my car for 2 years now without any problems. It's been to the strip a few times and on a road course a few time with no problems and nothing has broken.
The engine in that car is most likely a standard low compression 350. It hit 230 rwhp which is right in line with the 265-270hp rating for a typical LM1 carb'd engine.
Never saw Crzyone's numbers, Anyone know what they are?
EDIT: How about an LS1 Fiero with nitrous?: (It's all about what engine you put in.)
[This message has been edited by Oreif (edited 06-08-2007).]
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Formula88
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JUN 08, 08:57 AM
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quote | Originally posted by Kohburn:
yes - we all know that 350's can perform - so the reason shaun hassles archie so much is because archies swaps don't perform and he makes silly excuses for them all the while he says rediculous things like how "v8's make so much power that they don't need things like cold air intakes" then slapps a poorly tuned carb on it, some crush bent exhaust, and talks it up like its the best thing since sliced bread.
I once wanted a v8 fiero and contacted archie (some 9 years ago) but was turned off by his attitude and the rediculous claims he makes. i'd rather have a 400whp v6 than a 200whp v8 |
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When you say "archies [sic] swaps don't perform" what are you referring to? The mounts he uses? The adapter plate? There's nothing magical about a Fiero that suddenly takes a 400 HP engine and turns it into a 200 HP engine when installed with an Archie kit. If the owner buys a 250 HP V8, then they'll get a 250 HP swap. If they buy a 400 HP V8, they'll get a 400 HP swap. Orief's dyno results are proof enough of that.
I've never seen in any of Archie's ads or on his website where it says he designs and builds his own engines. He installs the engine the customer chooses. He will order a new engine for you, but again, it's what the customer orders.
If someone wants to see Archie build a 600 HP monster, I'm sure he'd be willing to oblige once your credit card is approved.
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ryan.hess
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JUN 08, 09:25 AM
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quote | Originally posted by Archie: This is on topic, are you the only one here that doesn't understand this thread is about bashing?
All the rest of this has already been discussed in the D7 Dyno thread.
Here's that thread http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/064529.html just in case you're really interested but I doubt it, I think you're just here for the bashing.
Archie
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Carb bashing, maybe.
I remember reading that thread. But I don't remember you ever posting your dyno run after the Daytona one.
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