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m0sh_man
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JUL 20, 09:33 AM
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The steering wheel in the ebay auction just states that its "almost new" being that its USED, and that its FOR A FIERO GT, not that it was originally from a fieroGT, granted i find the ad alittle decieving in nature, it should have been the job of the buyer to ask questions, i find that in no way should the seller be responsible for the buyer not asking questions that were VERY important to them.
my only advice is to suck it up as a loss cause you didnt ask the questions you wanted answers to before you purchased it.
ebays not like a retail store where you can just take something back the next day just cause you dont like it.
if you bought a car off the lot do you think the dealer would take it back cause you didnt know it didnt have a MP3 player or something? No they would tell you that you should have asked before you signed on the line.
matthew[This message has been edited by m0sh_man (edited 07-20-2007).]
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m0sh_man
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JUL 20, 09:38 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O:
I don't know if this is still available, but thought I'd mention it anyway...
http://www.chooseyouritem.c...s/108000/108115.html
Description:
GT Steering wheel. Brown leather with black spokes and horn button. In Excellent condition $75.00 plus shipping.
Doesn't look like this one on eBay though...
Example of an original....
BTW, the one I have is gray, which wouldn't work for you. |
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thats a steering wheel from a 1984 SE with tan interior, those steering wheels are not leather, but they last 10x longer than a GT steering wheel, if you want a original tan 1984 steering wheel those are great, the only damaged ones ive seen are ones that people severely abused.
ive got a dark grey (almost black) steering wheel like that on my 1987GT and i love it, i feel its better than a GT steering wheel in many ways.
matthew
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red_rock
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JUL 20, 10:37 AM
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My impression.
From the pictures you sent , the steering wheel looks clean , the black stitching is kinda cute actually. I was expecting something bad , but it really looks good as far as I am concerned. Of course it's a reproduction , but I like it.
Billy
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topcat
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JUL 20, 10:46 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by SuperchargedV6:
Hmmm, I guess if he was being honest it would be nothing to take it back and resell it. I clearly asked to rectify it twice with him making it clear he wasn't going to on the 1st email. He new he got his money back as he sold it off and that was it.
I guess some retread tires, states as almost new would be fine then,, or maybe a cubic zirconia diamond as almost new instead of a real diamond is also ok as it is not misrepresented. How about a almost new car that was in a wreck but completely redone. I guess these people should make sure they email and ask questions instead of a honest seller describing it fully.
All of these things are wrong . You would not be able to get away with it so just because it is a $110.00 steering wheel doesn't make it right. As much as there is no statement of OEM there is not of Reproduction stated and like I stated if The Fiero Store did this they would be in trouble and atleast they would take it back,, but according to some it is ok for EBay or private sellers to do it?? Rick
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From the time he said he would not refund the money, it seems as if you've been trying to intimidate him into a refund. As far as him buying it back then selling it again, why? The ebay ad was not deceptive to the point where he should bear the responsibility or cost of putting it back on ebay.
Your comparison of fake diamonds, is like comparing apples to oranges. He did not state this was OEM in his ebay ad. If he did then you'd have a valid argument. As far as retread tires comparison, I would not be upset if after buying a used tire I found out it was a retread. If I was buying a used "almost new tire" I would ask the seller if it wa a retread. Especially if he advertised it as almost new.
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Mickey_Moose
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JUL 20, 11:15 AM
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IMHO
...no where did it say that the wheel was originally bought as a NOS, it also states for a Fiero - so a little common sense: the wheel has only 1000 miles on it, so that means it was bought new not too long ago - GM has not had these in stock for quite some time, so, it has to be a repo, email the seller to find out all the poop.
Sure there was not a lot of info in the ad, but in that case it is always buyer beware and ask questions first.
I 'think' you saw the ad, said 1000 miles on it, you 'assumed' it was NOS and it had a 'buy it now' option for only $110 (cheap for a NOS Fiero GT wheel - which the ad never stated) and snapped it up (without asking questions) before anyone else saw it...
If it was me, sure I would be a little ticked, but then that is my own fault for not asking questions and I would just tack it up as a learning experience. Yes, It did happen to me a few years ago, now I always question things on eBay that seem to a little off (as I stated in my first paragraph).
anyways...[This message has been edited by Mickey_Moose (edited 07-20-2007).]
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Songman
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JUL 20, 11:31 AM
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I agree with what everyone is saying. The ad was not deceptive. It is for a Fiero, and it is almost new. You know, not everyone is a Fiero purist to the point that they would know the difference between the Fiero store wheel and an OEM Fiero wheel. You bought an almost new steering wheel for a Fiero GT and that is what you got.
My wife sells antique jewelry on eBay and from time to time gets buyers who write back saying "I thought this would be bigger" or "it's not exactly what I expected" and wanting refunds. The pictures were there. She always lists the measurements. And people have the option of asking questions before they bid. People apparently think they are shopping at WalMart and can take something back if they decide they don't like it. When buying on eBay, you are entitled to a refund if something is misrepresented, not just because it is not what you thought it was or you decided you don't like it. I don't see misrepresentation here. Sorry.
You have a nice Fiero. This is a nice looking wheel. Personally I wouldn't let the black stitching bother me. It may not be 100% correct but you can use it and have your original one rebuilt. At least it will look better than the gooey one you have now.
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FierOmar
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JUL 20, 11:53 AM
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I think your first statement sums it up pretty well. If I had the same expectation when I purchased, I would have been disappointed as well. However, I would not have considered myself to have been deceived.
If you look closely at the ebay photo, you can see the darker stitching, particularly near the top part of the steering wheel. Now, I admit that I did not catch it at first, but since the stitching had been pointed out, I was able to focus on it.
Yes, it probably would have been better if the seller had mentioned the stitching, or that it had originally come from the Fiero Store, but then again, there was nothing that prevented the buyer from asking questions about the origin and/or condition of the steering wheel. In other words, had the buyer been made aware that the wheel was intended for a pristine renovation, he might have pointed out that although not defective, the wheel might not be exactly what the buyer wanted.
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jaskispyder
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JUL 20, 11:58 AM
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Ok, I will go out on a limb and state the Ebay listing could have said more. And the buyer could have asked some questions. I too would have assumed it was real Fiero GT steering wheel, and would have been ticked it wasn't... BUT no where does it state it is FROM a Fiero GT... only that it is for a Fiero GT. To me, both sides can be blamed... one for lack of information and the other for lack of questions.
The real solution would be for the buyer to get their money back, minus any listing/shipping fees and the wheel shipped back to the seller. Both sides would be out shipping cost, but otherwise no harm.
Ebay is not a store and buyer (and seller) must beware...
J.
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FierOmar
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JUL 20, 12:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jaskispyder:
The real solution would be for the buyer to get their money back, minus any listing/shipping fees and the wheel shipped back to the seller. Both sides would be out shipping cost, but otherwise no harm.
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I don't quite agree. Both seller and buyer are experienced ebay users. Seller has 114 transactions reported (including both buying ans selling). Our buyer (Rick) has 555 reported transactions, once again some buys and some sales.
My recommendation. Rick should sell the steering wheel on ebay for the highest price possible, (assuming no one here jumps on it). Then the dispute is narrowed to the loss, if any.
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FierOmar[This message has been edited by FierOmar (edited 07-20-2007).]
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Emc209i
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JUL 20, 12:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by SuperchargedV6:
I guess some retread tires, states as almost new would be fine then,, or maybe a cubic zirconia diamond as almost new instead of a real diamond is also ok as it is not misrepresented. How about a almost new car that was in a wreck but completely redone. I guess these people should make sure they email and ask questions instead of a honest seller describing it fully.
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- Would you buy a $6000 diamond ring from ebay without asking question and requesting 100 pictures....?
- Would you buy a set of used tires off of ebay...?
- Would you buy a car from ebay without carfaxing it and/or personally inspecting it...?
If you answered yes to any of the above: There in lies the problem.
Most intelligent people know this:
People make money off of others every day selling inferior goods, go to walmart and pick out anything you want. Then you get upset when you use the "soul train website" of knock off auctions. And you're pissed because you didn't get what you wanted, disregarding the vague description and lack of questioning. Then you try to act like you have any common sense by threatening with a lawyer. Maybe you can sue him for defamation of your character.
Warren Buffet wrote an entire book about people like you. It's entitled: "How to Become a Billionaire" - the back page says something like "You can make money off of everyone". You're going to whine and cry and he's going to refuse to refund your money because everyone here understands discretion. See how simple it can be.
[This message has been edited by Emc209i (edited 07-20-2007).]
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