POLL: Do you consider this theft? (Page 3/9)
Cliff Pennock SEP 19, 01:40 PM
Maybe we should start a poll whether or not it's childish to start a post like this one. I vote yes.

Seriously, if you really wanted to start a discussion about whether or not taking a few small items from a junk yard is theft, you would not directly quote the member you have been accusing of such theft, nor would you post in his build thread with a post "did he mention he stole all his parts".

So this thread is of to the Trash Can.

If you really want to start such a discussion, feel free to start a new thread - but without the personal attack.
GT86 SEP 19, 02:00 PM
It's theft pure and simple. Doesn't matter if "everyone else does it", or if "the yard already makes enough money", or if "it was only a few little things". If you take something without permission and/or without paying for it, you're a thief.

It's sad that people can so easily justify theft.
GT86 SEP 19, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Xerces_Blackthorne:

And also, in my defense, its not like I do this on every single trip to the scrap yard. And its not like I am trying to walk away with something valuable, like an entire block, or a head, or something along those lines. And I am also a regular at these places, so they do get my cash a lot.



So you're only an occasional thief? And the excuse that it's not valuable is garbage. Would you be upset if I came and took a few minor odds and ends off your car? Do you walk out with these little items in plain sight, or do you feel the need to hide them? And hey, I have 3 old cars and am a regular at Autozone and Checker. Guess since they get my cash a lot it's OK if I go in and pocket a few things here and there.

I'm not trying to flame you, but you stole stuff and the excuses you are throwing out make it appear as if your moral standards are awfully low.
Xerces_Blackthorne SEP 19, 02:25 PM
I'm done with this thread after this post. You can all argue and deliberate all you want, I wash my hands of this matter. My final thoughts on this subject are this:

Everyone has their own opinion of what is right and what is wrong. My engineering shop teacher in high school had a saying for this: Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and they all stink. Personally I don't feel that what I did was wrong. Does it mean that I would walk up to someones car on the street and start stripping it of parts? No. That IMHO, and certainly most others opinion is wrong. But in a case like this where no one is going to care because it is a junkyard car, I don't see how its going to harm anything by me taking a few small parts that most likely no one is going to bother taking, and they end up in the scrapper.

I would rather see good parts used than end up in the crusher. And there isn't one person here who can honestly say that they haven't taken something that is not theirs at least once in their lives. Its called human nature. To desire something that someone else has and to take it. Envy and greed (in a literal sense). Without these 2 factors of life, there would be no such thing as ambition. But I won't go into this with any more detail, simply because I don't have any desire to have a philosophical conversation about my beliefs.

That said, enjoy your thread JimmyS, I hope it helps you sleep at night knowing you can hide behind your computer and make personal attacks towards someone elses beliefs and opinions. Particularly someone whom you have never met and do not know. Enjoy it now, because in the end it doesn't mean crap.

If anyone has a problem with me and how I do things, or with this response I welcome you to send a PRIVATE message to me. I cannot guarantee that it will accomplish anything, simply because I don't care, but you are welcome to try.

Regards,

Xerces_Blackthorne.
Emc209i SEP 19, 02:43 PM
Jimmy: I just got back from philosophy class, we were discussing the moral implications of purchasing a BMW, Daimler-Benz, or other German brand car. During WWII, the heads of these corporations met to discuss the rationing of food that would be given to death camp workers. They resolved to ration only enough food to sustain each worker for no more than 3 months. The workers would starve while they were building the components of each car. After the war, very few of the instigators were caught, and even they only served several years of imprisonment to return to the automobile scene and make fortunes.
http://www.theawfultruth.com/salbmw/

Just one of the very many examples- slave labor in the south, politician corruption, malpractice in every field, and greed induced law bending in corporate America.

And then I come home and read that you've stabbed someone in the back over swiping parts at a yard. Seriously man, more important things to worry about.
JimmyS SEP 19, 04:08 PM
Now someone explain to me how it is childish or I stabbed someone in the back? This thief openely admitted to stealing on a public forum and then has the nerve to try and justify his actions.

To start a thread asking if people consider it stealing is not childish. I did not make accusations or misquote the guilty party. I simply quoted what the guily party already stated himself.

He says it's not theft and I say it is. I wanted to hear what other people thought. If he is offended by the thread then maybe he should have kept his stickey fingers off of things that did not belong to him. If he still felt the urge to steal then he should have kept his mouth shut about it and he wouldn't be in this predicament.

And brian...

I don't hide behind anything. I am always open for a face to face discussion. Since I did not threaten you, if "you" feel the need for a face to face then feel free to come visit me anytime.
86FieroCentPa SEP 19, 05:46 PM
I think someone earlier in this thread put it nicely. Since he went through the trouble of hiding what he took, he obviously knew it was wrong and it was theft. If he didn't think it was wrong he wouldn't have hidden it.

Maybe he would go as far to justify hiding it because while it wasn't wrong, the owners of the yard wouldnt have liked it very much. The level of justifcation for theft I have just read makes me think that this might be someones rational.....
Emc209i SEP 19, 05:54 PM
Childish in the manner you projected the question :: Poll: do you consider this theft?->Read what this guy said. This is what he uses to justify what he did.
You didn't genuinely pose the question from a hypothetical standpoint, you framed someone. And that is what I consider stabbing him in the back.

If you are indeed genuinely curious, then ask, sure that's a wonderful question and by all mean I think its great that you're exploring life and its queries. If you quoted him because you were worried about being able to convey the situation on you own, you should have asked him via pm if it was ok to use him as an example (aka burn him publicly). You essentially no more than called him a thief, even if that wasn't your intention. The message comes across as both hostile and involved in a situation you shouldn't have any bearing in. That might also be a reason others are saying its childish.

Once again, I think its great to read deeply into right and wrongs (I'm doing the same thing now), but I know you went about it in a wrong way. Using someone as an example is a quick way to make an enemy.
Emc209i SEP 19, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by JimmyS:

This thief openely admitted to stealing on a public forum and then has the nerve to try and justify his actions.




"He who is without sin cast the first stone"

Now I know that it was your intention to frame him. You have stabbed him in the back, and you have made a big deal over something relatively small. You say that you did not make accusations, but you've made two in the post above, calling him a "thief" and then "He says it's not theft and I say it is." Look at all of the people above who have openly stated that they've done the same thing in the past, or read the explanations like in the post below. I've swiped small parts before, am I a lifelong "thief" also?

At first I tried looking at this thread subjectively, wondering if you had any interest in the situation. It is clear to me now that you have no interest but are instead condemning him! Are you trying to say you're better?! In what way? You think that you have more of a moral compass than I do? I'm looking at entire wall of this room which is lined with plaques, thank you notes, commendations, and community service notes. I went through high school with honors, I was a varsity athlete and captain, I spent more than 10 hours a week in active community service, and am an active part of my community now- and I'll be the first to tell you, I have NO moral ground to stand and accuse him of stealing petty things from a yard.

So who gave you the right to judge? Or rather, who's army do you lead?

[This message has been edited by Emc209i (edited 09-19-2008).]

MstangsBware SEP 19, 06:14 PM
Hell I can't say it is wrong cause I have took small things from yards before when buying parts from them. Mainly cause if it's a small part, they are going to charge like $3 for it being its a misc. parts. Plus they pay $150-$250 for a complete car and make plenty profit off it not to mention small parts tend to end up scrapped in the end.