Fear, Obedience, amd Republicans (Page 3/10)
jaskispyder APR 10, 07:49 AM
You liberals are funny... blinded by the holy one. You can't see that Obama and the liberal dems are working together to bring down America? If there was a Republican president, then we wouldn't have all of this new legislation rammed down our throats. Remember, Bush vetoed a ton of stuff the liberals wanted... like the SCHIP program. Taxing tobacco to pay for "children's health care".... Total BS. McCain would have vetoed this crap also. We wouldn't be handing out bailout money like Obama did.

Obama and the dems are going to make Americas pay for being successful. Obama himself believes America is too arrogant and he wants us to bow down before other world leaders. I say BS! The US saved the world from tyranny... we have the right to be proud of who we are and what we can bring to the world!

J.
82-T/A [At Work] APR 10, 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by IEatRice:

I'd love to play the "I was outraged before being outraged was cool" game, but I wont. Many sat and screamed the same cries many of you have today for years on this forum. To deaf ears and negative ratings.





I don't think you understand. This isn't a game. This isn't about being cool, or being trendy. I didn't, nor do I support now, the initial bail-out that Bush did in the last days of his presidency.

Really, this isn't about Bush, and I honestly care less what you think about Bush. He is neither my hero, or a role model for me.


I REALLY, REALLY don't think you actually grasp the magnitude of what's transpired over the past few months.


Let me put this into perspective for you:

1 - It took us 232 years... from George Washington to President Bush to accumilate 1.2 trillion dollars worth of debt... It took Barack Obama 3 MONTHS to triple that debt. This isn't a stretch of the truth, this isn't an exaggeration... we are 4.3 trillion dollars in debt. Three months ago, we were 1.2 trillion in debt. It would (quite honestly) take hundreds of years of fiscal conservatism to pay off that debt.

2 - Because of our massive / increased debt, the European Nations, and the rest of the world is voting to get off the US Dollar as the global currency. They are considering either creating a new monetary unit, or switching to the Chinese "Yuan".

3 - Corporations are moving out of the united states because there's simply no money here. Boeing is considering leaving Washington, and Ford Motor Company will have closed all of it's plants in the US (except the F150 plant) by the end of 2010. They are building (as we speak) three new plants (estimated at 4 billion dollars) in northern Mexico, and several more overseas.
Now, I don't think you REALLY understood the scope of what's going on before you made this silly post. I'll happily admit that Bush was not fiscally conservative and spent like crazy. But this really isn't about Bush, is it? Obama has just taken every negative that Bush was doing (the same things the Democrats were criticizing him for) and he just tripled everything in the matter of months.

It took us 232 years to accumilate 1.2 trillion in debt, and Obama tripled that in three months. I really don't think you still actually grasp that. I'm sure you think I'm using some kind of fuzzy math, or exaggerating, or making up numbers... but this is FACT.

The global community is going to STOP using the US dollar as the global currency. Do you realize what kind of catestrophic impact that will have on us???

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Originally posted by ktthecarguy:

I will paraphrase Jon Stewart:
You guys lost.
You are in the minority now.
It's SUPPOSED to taste like a sh*t sandwich!

so just EAT IT!





Honestly, this isn't about winning. It might be for you, and it might be for some Republicans. But that's not what it's about to me, with respect to party lines. I could care less. Yes, I've voted Republican almost all the time (although I've voted for Democrat Senator Bill Nelson twice in a row now). But this transcendes party lines... this is a major and severe problem that we're having in the government right now. The three people responsible for this are Nanci Pelosi, Barney Frank, and Barack Obama (in that order). I beg you to re-read the three bullet points I mentioned above in this reply. Can you honestly tell me it doesn't bother you?

This really isn't about gay marriage, or abortion rights, or increasing welfare payments. This is about the solidarity of the United States. It's broken... and when the smoke clears from all of this, we will be left standing shorter than we were before. As much as it pains me to say this... what's happening right now is permenant damage to our country. We need to stop these bail-outs... I can say with much certainty that we will never recover (be able to pay off) this massive debt we've accrued. Just remember what I'm saying here, and think about that as you vote for the rest of your life... whether it's for a Democrat, or a Republican.

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Todd,
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jstricker APR 10, 08:39 AM
That's where you're wrong.

I'm going to sit back, put my feet up, and watch your guys finish wrecking the country so there's nothing left recognizable. You didn't start this process and I don't blame you for it, neither did I. FDR started it back in the depression, LBJ accelerated things in the 60's, and now BHO is here to most likely finish the job.

That's cool. I've done what I can. In as many elections as I could, I tried to keep the "barbarians at the gate" from rushing in, but there are just so many it was inevitable.


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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship."

Alexander Fraser Tyler, "The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic"



It WAS inevitable. I was hoping that I wouldn't live to see it. As the bricks are falling, I'm planning an exit strategy, although it breaks my heart to be doing it. If there is a turnaround at the mid-term elections in about a year and a half, then things will be delayed a bit longer. But not that much longer.

Yes, I'm pretty pessimistic right now. I wish I wasn't, but I am. It is what it is and the collective "we" got what we deserved.

John Stricker


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Originally posted by ktthecarguy:


...says the sore loser.
fierobear APR 10, 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by ktthecarguy:


...says the sore loser.



Wow, KT. You really think you won something? Really? Obama has been stepping in s*** on an almost daily basis. He and the Democrats have tripled the national debt, created yet another massive budget deficit...and you thing *I* am the one that lost? We're ALL losing with this kind of out of control, nonsensical leadership. Really, if you really think you *won* something, if you think only conservative voters lost, and if you don't see what's happening...you are TOO DUMB to be in this discussion. I really don't like to be so blunt and insulting, but you're clueless.

You think this is some kind of *personal* victory for you and Obama voters. You think we conservatives suffered a personal loss, and that this is only about your bragging rights. That's your problem...this is about OUR F***ING COUNTRY, you numbskull. While you do your little victory dance on our heads, Rome is burning around you. Wake the f*** up, this isn't about your little party. This is about our FUTURES.

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Nurb432 APR 10, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by IEatRice:


Even if McCain won, it would still be bad. Even he supported the bail outs so we don't know that his legislation or actions would be any different.

I suppose I have lost confidence that anyone could make it a good situation. How ever that "good" be defined.




True, he lost so we will never know, but i have to believe that McCain would have handled things differently. At the least he doesn't have the same socialist roots, so while there may have still been money involved, i don't believe the 'takeover' strings would be there.

( im sure ill get my red bar moved for this one )
Nurb432 APR 10, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by ktthecarguy:

I will paraphrase Jon Stewart:
You guys lost.
You are in the minority now.
It's SUPPOSED to taste like a sh*t sandwich!

so just EAT IT!




This isn't a game of monopoly where you shake hands at the end. This is about fundamental differences in how people feel their lives should be.. Losing ( or winning ) doesn't change how you think things should be.
fierobear APR 10, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Nurb432:


This isn't a game of monopoly where you shake hands at the end. This is about fundamental differences in how people feel their lives should be.. Losing ( or winning ) doesn't change how you think things should be.



And the sad thing is, KT thinks that ONLY conservatives are having to eat the s*** sandwich. The truth is, we ALL are. I guess only we conservatives *know* it's a s*** sandwich, that Obama is serving it up, and that people like KT don't realize they're eating a s*** sandwich. They're eating s*** too, but they think it's steak.
2.5 APR 10, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by fierobear:


And the sad thing is, KT thinks that ONLY conservatives are having to eat the s*** sandwich. The truth is, we ALL are. I guess only we conservatives *know* it's a s*** sandwich, that Obama is serving it up, and that people like KT don't realize they're eating a s*** sandwich. They're eating s*** too, but they think it's steak.



Very true.
ktthecarguy APR 10, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by jaskispyder:
natter natter natter
grommish grommish grommish



In YOUR opinion.

And I hate to break it to you, but your opinion is NOT fact.
2.5 APR 10, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by ktthecarguy:


In YOUR opinion.

And I hate to break it to you, but your opinion is NOT fact.



got some nice senses of humor in this room.