END OF KIT CARS? (Page 3/60)
madcurl JAN 16, 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by fieroboom:

Anyway, anybody got an XLR they wanna let me take molds of?




Chip Foose did a nice XLR custom on the TV show "Rides." I thought it was pretty sleek using a brushed aluminum top, custom front and rear bumpers and some other goodies. Granted, the first XLR's are a bit cheaper now cause the newer ones are 100k. I saw a really nice XLR with a body kit at SEMA.
madcurl JAN 17, 10:48 PM
If you've notice many builders are now following some of the styles originated with Ferrari. Although all to some degree copy each others styles, but there's enough room for alteration of parts that it needn't happen. however, in this case the nose is strictly a Enzo influence. Granted, it would have been nice if Lamborghini did it first.






Look to see many coping the "Enzo" style nose just like many did many years ago similar to the Tessarosa's side fins.
madcurl JAN 24, 07:45 PM
http://www.iptrademarkattor...ess-factory-five.pdf

IMSA GT JAN 24, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by madcurl:

http://www.iptrademarkattor...ess-factory-five.pdf



It took him that long to jump on the bandwagon? That really sucks. Now even the Cobra replicas are going to be stopped.
pavo_roddy JAN 24, 08:48 PM
HI all

IIRC, Shelby has already sued FFR before and lost......

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madcurl JAN 25, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by pavo_roddy:

HI all

IIRC, Shelby has already sued FFR before and lost......





Carroll Shelby is going for deep pockets. Shelby's lawyers are suing the suppliers too. That'll tie you up in court for $10-30k for each of the persons on the list. Somebody may have used the name "Shelby" or something that voided the first lawsuit. Might have been a write-up in a article or something and thus the lawyers are pouncing the pavement looking for a "pay-day."

http://www.factoryfive.com/...date/jan09/news.html


Carroll Shelby Lawsuit NewsShelby Sues Factory Five Again!

This past December, Factory Five was served with a lawsuit from Carroll Shelby. The claims in the suit focus primarily over the shape or the “trade-dress” of the Type 65 Coupe. We were a bit amazed at this lawsuit as Shelby agreed to a court order that specifically precluded him from doing just this.

Indeed. in February, 2001, FFR and Shelby mutually agreed to the entry of a Consent Judgment (“Order”) in the litigation brought by Shelby in the United States District Court, District of Massachusetts whereby, among other things, Factory Five agreed not to use the word “Cobra” to describe our products. Factory Five agreed to this since it was not using these marks anyway and, for obvious reasons, it wanted to avoid any association whatsoever with Shelby. In return, Shelby agreed to forever dismiss any claims relative to the shape of the Factory Five Roadster and Type 65 Coupe and other designs. The exact words of the 2001 Order are as follows…

”… Shelby dismisses with prejudice all claims that have been asserted or could have been asserted relative to the trade dress or designs of FFR’s kits, including but not limited to the kits known as the 427 Roadster and the Type 65 Coupe…”Further, if Shelby believed that FFR was in violation of any part of the Order; for instance one of our guys inadvertently wrote an advertisement using the word COBRA, the Order required Shelby to give FFR 30 days notice to remedy any purported breach.

In sum, pursuant to the Order, Shelby is precluded from filing a lawsuit without the agreed to notice and opportunity to cure. FFR required that this language be included in the Order because we knew Shelby was litigious to the extreme and we also knew that the entire planet, all the customers, and the industry in general, refers to these cars as “Cobras” in a purely generic sense and the risk that someone might make a mistake was real. To this day, I believe that FFR is among the one or two companies/entities/people that consistently identifies our products as our own rather than “Cobras”.

Even worse, not only did Shelby violate the Order in filing the lawsuit, he sued over the shape of a car that had already been litigated and dismissed eight years ago. What do we do now? We have filed a motion seeking to have the California Court to change the venue to Federal Court in Massachusetts which endorsed and entered the Order in 2001. If that is allowed, we will then seek to have the lawsuit dismissed as well as damages and/or sanctions for malicious prosecution and contempt of court. All this is just a big waste of time and money for FFR.

The fact that the website FFCOBRA was named along with the good guys at LK Motorsports is, in my opinion, harassment. FFR removed our link to FFCobra, not because it was a violation of the Order or because we had to, but instead to mitigate the litigation costs, particularly where Shelby is claiming that FFCOBRA is an agent of FFR. Nothing could be further from the truth. FFR is just fine financially and is not asking any customers for legal defense money.

The issues involving the claims against FFCobra and LK Motorsports are another thing. Bill runs FFCobra and since we have cancelled our ads with them, I think customers banding together to defend their own rights is a good thing.Some other things to consider. We hear that Shelby is suing Kirkham for counterfeiting after using them as a supplier for years (you didn’t think that Shelby built those aluminum body cars did you?).

Shelby makes claims against a website that is customer based and doesn’t sell or make “Cobras”. Why didn’t he sue Club Cobra or any of the myriad of websites that use the word “Cobra”. Why is Shelby suing us? Who knows. Some people familiar with this suit believe that Shelby saw our Land Speed Record Coupe across from his booth at the November SEMA show and got mad, simple as that. The original Coupe went 186 mph or so, yet FFR’s went 216 mph and next year the crew at SoFast Racing say that 250-275 mph is not out of the question at Bonneville.

Anyone from Shelby is welcome to join us on the salt or on any track in the country where we prefer to settle our differences rather than in court.Unfortunately, the memory of what Shelby did in the 60’s is rapidly being replaced with the image of the most litigious guy in the auto industry. Even Car & Driver Magazine recently type-cast as Carroll as “$helby” (notice the dollar sign) in an article that sadly chronicled his never-ending legal nonsense. Some familiar?In the end, FFR knows that it has done the right thing and fully believes that it will prevail in this most frivolous action. Stay tuned. *Sigh

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Mr Ferrari JAN 25, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by Mike Gonzalez:

Thought someone might be interested


http://cosprings.craigslist.org/bks/991525317.html




Mike, I did not realize you were the one selling them when you posted this.. lol.. I cant wait to look them over..


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Mr Ferrari JAN 25, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by madcurl:


Anyone from Shelby is welcome to join us on the salt or on any track in the country where we prefer to settle our differences rather than in court.Unfortunately, the memory of what Shelby did in the 60’s is rapidly being replaced with the image of the most litigious guy in the auto industry. Even Car & Driver Magazine recently type-cast as Carroll as “$helby” (notice the dollar sign) in an article that sadly chronicled his never-ending legal nonsense. Some familiar?In the end, FFR knows that it has done the right thing and fully believes that it will prevail in this most frivolous action. Stay tuned. *Sigh




This is so true.. Shelby is all about money and lawsuits and sold the "Cobra" brand to Ford anyway.. In 1997 Ford granted Shelby America the exclusive right to use the Cobra name, but not ownership. Shelby ownes the rights to 289, 427 S/C, Shelby, Shelby 427 S/C and Daytona Coupe.. So FF mentioned 427 on the website and Shelby ownes the rights to that #.. Thats in the complaint against FF.. Shelby is primarily going after the Daytona in this lawsuit so its not about the Cobra so much this time..

Here is the the official papers served to FF.. http://www.iptrademarkattor...ess-factory-five.pdf

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madcurl FEB 13, 01:40 AM
I received my alternative European Car magazine today and from the looks of it- mine expires in July 09. It's not the typical Luxury & Exotic articles I expect, but I didn't have a choice in the matter. I hate paying for something I don't want!
PaulJK FEB 13, 04:52 AM

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Originally posted by fieroboom:

Anyway, anybody got an XLR they wanna let me take molds of?




Why go to all that trouble ?



Like the man said "all cars are dated"