V8 Archie Dyno Vid (Page 4/45)
Oreif JUN 08, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by ryan.hess:


Carb bashing, maybe.

I remember reading that thread. But I don't remember you ever posting your dyno run after the Daytona one.



Frank posted all of them at: http://floridafieros.org/daytona2007/dyno.html

Also note that the 3.4L DOHC and the stock 3800SC engines also ran lower than normal numbers. This is why Frank was looking to see what the cal factors were. It isn't just Archie's V-8 that looked low, The 3.4DOHC was 30% lower and the 3800SC was 36% lower.

Finally, How come nobody has noticed that Archie drove back to Illinois and ran at a local dyno shop with a more accurate set-up and gained 20rwhp???? So the 230rwhp is now 250rwhp.

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Alex4mula JUN 08, 10:00 AM
Usually the people that bash more the V8s are the ones who know less about them. They just post such ignorant comments. Unbeleivable. Unless you have a muscle car era V8 in perfect condition (late 60s to maybe 71) or a late LSx you aint gonna get an SBC putting big HP numbers to the wheels. Then those muscle car era Gen I engines HP #s were gross. All those truck Gen I SBCs, LM1s, target etc. put good torque but low HP. If you want even 300rwhp in any of those you need to change a lot of things. The ZZ4 gets there but it has good heads, intake and cam for it. My TPI got there too but I have one of the best heads and great cam & lots of intake. In other words $$. I'm the first one to laugh when someone says/post/signs to have a 400HP V8 with no dyno sheet as I know those are few. But I guess most people here just know a little of V6 and that's it. Read and get educated on SBCs before you make ignorant comments. And yes, Archie's kit never failed on me and nohwere in the video or documentation it promises to add/make big HP
crzyone JUN 08, 12:21 PM
Wow you guys went off on wild tangents.

We are talking about a 377ci sbc OR a bad dyno operator. Which is it? Did he have a 377 and a bad dyno or a stocker 350 trying to fool shaun??? The story is going 2 different ways.

My car has not hit a dyno yet, my attention has been on my Skyline GTR, maybe in a few weeks I'll put some insurance on my fiero and take it to a dyno. It still needs fine tuning on the standalone. I would be not be happy with anything below 280whp, and expect to get closer to 300whp.
crzyone JUN 08, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Alex4mula:

Usually the people that bash more the V8s are the ones who know less about them. They just post such ignorant comments. Unbeleivable.



I am not bashing V-8s. I only came in here asking why a 377 only put down 230whp. Archie started with the insults, all I asked was an honest question.
ryan.hess JUN 08, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Oreif:
Frank posted all of them at: http://floridafieros.org/daytona2007/dyno.html

Also note that the 3.4L DOHC and the stock 3800SC engines also ran lower than normal numbers. This is why Frank was looking to see what the cal factors were. It isn't just Archie's V-8 that looked low, The 3.4DOHC was 30% lower and the 3800SC was 36% lower.

Finally, How come nobody has noticed that Archie drove back to Illinois and ran at a local dyno shop with a more accurate set-up and gained 20rwhp???? So the 230rwhp is now 250rwhp.



Link doesn't work for me. What I was talking about was nobody has posted his "redyno" of this 20hp gain. Curves can move up and down with calibration, but if their shape changes, you'll know something was changed on the engine.
Formula88 JUN 08, 01:46 PM
The link worked after D7. He may have taken them down since then. I don't remember if I saved the dyno sheets on my PC or not, but I'll check.

crzyone: You asked the details - Archie said it's an 8.5:1 compression 350, not a 377 as previously stated. He also said Frank Martin couldn't get the dyno operator to give him the setup for each car. That combined with the dyno operator being a personal friend of Shaunna's and Shaunna punking out and not running his own car, along with the low readings others also noticed bring the dyno results into question. Even so, if it's an 8.5:1 350, 230 RWHP is within reason, if a little low.

The story's not going in 2 directions. There's more than 1 person involved here. Archie sandbagging and calling his engine a 377 apparently to mess with Shaunna, and Frank being unable to get the dyno info from the dyno operator. Both may be true.

Does that about cover it?
crzyone JUN 08, 01:55 PM
No.

This whole thing is silly.

Talk about a few members being very childish. Archie sandbagging only made him look bad. How many people who showed up at the dyno who will never see this tread left disappointed seeing a "377" put down 230hp? Can't see that being good for business.

My questions were answered, if Archie is telling the truth. Who knows? He has already lied once.
Pyrthian JUN 08, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Formula88:


When you say "archies [sic] swaps don't perform" what are you referring to? The mounts he uses? The adapter plate? There's nothing magical about a Fiero that suddenly takes a 400 HP engine and turns it into a 200 HP engine when installed with an Archie kit. If the owner buys a 250 HP V8, then they'll get a 250 HP swap. If they buy a 400 HP V8, they'll get a 400 HP swap. Orief's dyno results are proof enough of that.

I've never seen in any of Archie's ads or on his website where it says he designs and builds his own engines. He installs the engine the customer chooses. He will order a new engine for you, but again, it's what the customer orders.

If someone wants to see Archie build a 600 HP monster, I'm sure he'd be willing to oblige once your credit card is approved.



exactly.
my old suburban had a 350 with under 200 HP. if I gave that to Archie to put into my Fiero - guess what the HP would be? yup...under 200....

the only issue with SBC's in Fiero's is the exhaust manifolds. you dont have room for decent headers. this is one thing that would "hinder" performance. and, this applies to ALL SBC Fiero's - not just Archies.

and, noone is stopping anyone else from installing whatever they want in their own Fiero.

nothing but pure green jealousy. it happens everywhere with everything. those who "can do" try to bash those who "can buy". there is nothing wrong with buying what ya want, instead of building what ya want - the end result is - you get what you want.
Formula88 JUN 08, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by crzyone:

No.

This whole thing is silly.

Talk about a few members being very childish. Archie sandbagging only made him look bad. How many people who showed up at the dyno who will never see this tread left disappointed seeing a "377" put down 230hp? Can't see that being good for business.

My questions were answered, if Archie is telling the truth. Who knows? He has already lied once.



You asked. You got answers. That you didn't like the answers, well, I can't help that. Whether or not you believe Archie is up to you.
We do know this. The engine can't be both a 350 and a 377, so you can make your own decision about which you want to believe. You make a 377 by putting a 350 crank in a 400 block. If a 400 block has 3 freeze plugs, and the "377" has 2 freeze plugs, then it can't be a 377, can it?

Archie's reasoning for saying or doing anything are his own - and really don't have anything to do with your initial question, do they?

crzyone JUN 08, 02:47 PM
All I have to say is that the motor in the video is definitly out of tune, obvious by the black smoke in the upper rpm range.

With a good dyno tune the engine could easily pick up 20+hp. Thats what dynos are for, tuning. Its a benefit that you get to see your power at the wheels. Adjusting a carb by ear is not an accurate tuning method.

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