Archie's chop's/Mikes windows results. (Page 1/31)
joshua riedl OCT 05, 04:53 PM
It was a great day to drive to Illinois. I even got off the interstate before paing a toll. I can't post pictures so I'll email them to exoticse or if Archie wants he can post them. Talking to someone in person is always better than internet posts. I was enlightened to a couple facts that may have seemed like B/S if I had read it on the internet. The windows don't fit the way Archie needs them to. He built 20 something chops that are all the same. He could not send these windows to Madcurl and have madcurl bolt them in and be happy. They just don't fit. It would be the same as me ordering a new window for my Colorado and having to cut up the door because it couldn't go right in. I would be upset and Chevy would never get my buisness again. However, I never hid or at least I never tried to hide the modifications it took to get them to fit in my car. There is a vertical track that the roller rides in that will be your enemy. I had to space this track out about an inch. There is some factory adjustment that allowed it to come out farther. Then I also flattened the hook that holds the glass and shimmed the glass away from the regulator frame. This then caused issues with clearance. Rolling the windows up, the plastic clips would hit the door frame and required cutting. Rolling the windows down, the window would hit the impact beam and required cutting. Putting the door panel on, I now could not hook up the door lock because the glass would catch on the metal rod that goes to the key cylinder. I also realized today that I didn't put on one of the plastic plugs for the window. The glass now rubs on the felt instead of the plastic plug. This probably helped me and I didn't even realize I did it. The sad truth is there is no happy ending. Mike and Archie could go back and forth for eternity and never come to an agreement. I will however share my opinion, since I am probably the closest thing to a unbiased opinion that actually has experience installing these windows. These windows are useless to Archie from a buisness point of view. However, I did not see anything today that surprised me. I think they fit better than mine before I re-cut my car to match the windshield angle. If I had an Archie chop car and a set of Mikes windows and a couple days, I believe I could get them to fit. Pictures will get posted one way or the other. Archie and I took all the pictures together so nothing will be hidden and pushed to believe one way or the other. Archie was also very nice, even offered me lunch. It was a good day to take a road trip, I got to see a couple cool cars at Archie's, a pink fiero at a dealership and I didn't even have to use my AK, I gotta say it was a good day!
Archie OCT 05, 05:12 PM
I forgot that you'd said you couldn't post pictures, I should have shown you how while you were here.

I'll post some pics tonight & explain what it is a picture of & you can confirm if my description is correct or not.

Archie
madcurl OCT 05, 05:24 PM
On with the show. Tony...we're wait'n ...
exoticse OCT 05, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by madcurl:

On with the show. Tony...we're wait'n ...



Sorry but no pictures recieved as of yet.

I am leaving to go to our Central Florida Fieros meeting so if they come thru it won't be until later tonight.
Jake_Dragon OCT 05, 05:42 PM
joshua check your PMs
DL10 OCT 05, 05:47 PM
If you could have waited until tomorrow I could have drivin up to Archie’s so we could meet. It’s always fun go go up for a visit. I think you said it best when you said “Talking to someone in person is always better than internet posts”. It is to easy to, I believe the term is "It’s easy to read between the lines" sometimes I write things that come out different then they would in a face-to-face conversation.

Let me say one more time congratulation on building your own choptop. And being the #2 with glass windows. You were able to make the mods that it took to make them work. I really didn’t want to make those mods just to get glass.

I hope settles the whole thing………I do give Mike a lot of credit for actually getting glass windows made. I just think he went about selling them the wrong way. Archie came into the thread just to warn his customers that the windows won’t work {without major mods and sacrifice.} while Mike was reading between the lines and felt Archie was trying to hurt his business.

It really doesn’t matter now as there are only a couple of sets left to sell and he doesn’t plan on getting anymore.

And I do think Mike should apologize to Archie………

[This message has been edited by DL10 (edited 10-05-2006).]

madcurl OCT 05, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by exoticse:


Sorry but no pictures recieved as of yet.

I am leaving to go to our Central Florida Fieros meeting so if they come thru it won't be until later tonight.



Geezs, you've eatin pizza before, hehe.

jscott1 OCT 05, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by joshua riedl:

... I got to see a couple cool cars at Archie's, a pink fiero at a dealership and I didn't even have to use my AK, I gotta say it was a good day!



Thanks for the Ice Cube reference, I'm laughing out loud

I hope this settles the issue, at least for now. Mike's windows are a great thing for the homebrewed chopper to have. Just build the car around them. That's what I intend to do.

Archie OCT 05, 09:12 PM
Ok, so the 1st thing jushua & I did was to take a couple of pics of my side window in my car. He can verify that the fit around the window was even & that the window was against the seal evenly all the way around.

Here's 2 pics.....





Next, we took my window out of the car and compared the contour. Since my window has a lot more curve in it, we laid it on top of his window (his is the tinted one). Then after we aligned all 7 holes in the windows, we "rolled" the top window over onto the his window. When I say "rolled" that means that, without moving it left to right or up & down, joshua rolled one window on top of the other to bring the tops of the windows together.

that's jushua's hand holding it in place. Here's 4 pics.... you be the judge......









more to come........
madcurl OCT 05, 09:30 PM
Damn. This is better than watching Perry Mason, hehe ...