Shootings... (Page 1/9)
82-T/A [At Work] AUG 04, 02:21 PM
What the ****?

I'm in full support of gun ownership, and I fully understand the purpose of gun ownership isn't hunting or self defense... but to keep the Government honest. But how do we stop crazy-people from shooting up public places?

Not that this is Fiero Forum's problem to solve... but just interested in what you guys think?

I don't own any guns, I just don't want the burden of owning one...
Tony Kania AUG 04, 02:37 PM
I can agree with the white male killings being fricking horrible. But, if you look, these men/children are of mental instability that is recognized, yet unattended to. The way one composes a sentence can tell a lot. A paragraph written can be subject to mass interest by policing agencies. The way one keeps home, or the credit they poses can attest to their standards of life and liberty. There are always signs. Even the Freeman shooter, Caleb Sharpe, can be labeled with such opinion. He was in our home two days before he committed murder in his high school two short years ago. We knew something was amiss, but where do you go when it is only a feeling? I have zero sympathy for those like him and others that will surely follow. No thought other than hate for such monsters. I am OK with addressing my hate in this situation and letting society know where I stand.

I am often hit by those in this community that are of liberal thought. I want them to continue. My life, and the lives of many of my fellow Republicans can be thoroughly vetted and certain rights given due to a life's diligence. If one loses those rights due to fault of their own, then so be it. So be it and so shall it stand.

I say to all that want freedom... Document everything, be thorough in nature, use your rights and the laws around you to better those deserving, and stand your ground.
williegoat AUG 04, 03:16 PM
It is my belief that these shootings are rooted in the “entitlement mentality” that is prevalent in many sectors of society.

I expect that we will find that the Ohio killer was reacting to some perceived rejection.

If you read the El Paso killer’s “manifesto” you will find that he is blaming others for his failures. He claims that big corporations are ruining the environment and stealing his future and that white Europeans stole this land from the indigenous people. If you change “Hispanic” to “European”, you would have the Democratic platform.

The one thing that all of these killers have in common, other than mental illness, is that they believe some other group has stolen what is rightfully theirs. Hitler and Mao rose to power by fostering this belief.

Nothing is rightfully yours until you have earned it.

We need to return to an educational system that is rooted in values that will promote accomplishment rather than victimhood. We need to support an entertainment industry that promotes these values.

Some values, some beliefs, some philosophies are wrong. Some cultures are destructive. Civilization depends on that understanding.
LitebulbwithaFiero AUG 04, 03:35 PM
Here is a list of mass shooting in the last 4 years. Just popped up on my news feed. I did see some questionable wording, but a sobering list none the less
https://www.latimes.com/wor...-shootings?_amp=true
williegoat AUG 04, 04:16 PM
Does this sound like AOC?

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America is rotting from the inside out, and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly impossible. The inconvenient truth is that our leaders, both Democrat AND Republican, have been failing us for decades. They are either complacent or involved in one of the biggest betrayals of the American public in our history. The takeover of the United States government by unchecked corporations. I could write a ten page essay on all the damage these corporations have caused, but here is what is important. Due to the death of the baby boomers, the increasingly anti-immigrant rhetoric of the right and the ever increasing Hispanic population, America will soon become a one party-state. The Democrat party will own America....

The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heaing the destruction of our environment by shamelessly over harvesting resources. This has been a problem for decades. For example, this phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades old classic “The Lorax”. Water sheds around the country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent. Urban sprawl creates inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in my short life has led me to believe that the average American isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes only cause a slight inconvenience. The government is unwilling to tackle these issues beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations.


These are the words of the El Paso killer, the guy the main stream media wants you to believe was inspired by Trump.
RWDPLZ AUG 04, 04:17 PM
I've been in that El Paso Walmart many times, anytime I need something I can't get at the 7-11 closer to the hotel. Hoping the victim list doesn't include any coworkers down there.
IMSA GT AUG 04, 04:47 PM
The citizens are tired of the illegal immigration issue and are finally taking matters into their own hands. It was bound to happen with some extremists. Just like the garlic festival here in Gilroy. It's a shame to see this happen.

So lets see, events in California and Texas minus the State in between. Hopefully Willie's State doesn't join the crowd.

[This message has been edited by IMSA GT (edited 08-04-2019).]

williegoat AUG 04, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

The citizens are tired of the illegal immigration issue and are finally taking matters into their own hands. It was bound to happen with some extremists. Just like the garlic festival here in Gilroy. It's a shame to see this happen.

So lets see, events in California and Texas minus the State in between. Hopefully Willie's State doesn't join the crowd.



I was surprised that it happened in Texas, but then I remembered Austin in 1966. That was the first such incident that I recall in my lifetime.

I would like to think that it wouldn't happen here, but it already has. We had the incident in Tucson in 2011.
rogergarrison AUG 04, 06:48 PM
Word in Ohio is the Dayton shooter had some problem with his own sister, who is among those he killed.

I can understand that no one in the Dayton bar was armed, but find it hard to believe there were not a bunch of people in a full Walmart...in Texas...that were not armed.

What needs to be done is finding a way to prevent these killers, which seem to be all younger white guys, from getting access to guns. Any gun control will not have stopped them. The truth is MORE citizens should be carrying guns, CCP or not, not less. A radio program this morning had a viewer comment on the Texas restaurant shooting a few years back. There, people were not allowed to have a weapon in the restaurant. Many there had guns, but left them in their cars and left the whole restaurant wide open for any attack. These morons know that people cant have guns in some states, or some places and therefore they know no ones there that might shoot back. They are all cowards. They go into a place where they know everyone is unarmed with multiple guns and ammo magazines ready for a turkey shoot. I myself know if I wanted to kill multiple people and be safe doing it, id go straight to somewhere I know is packed with people and no weapons are allowed....duhhh.
82-T/A [At Work] AUG 04, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by Tony Kania:

I can agree with the white male killings being fricking horrible. But, if you look, these men/children are of mental instability that is recognized, yet unattended to. The way one composes a sentence can tell a lot. A paragraph written can be subject to mass interest by policing agencies. The way one keeps home, or the credit they poses can attest to their standards of life and liberty. There are always signs. Even the Freeman shooter, Caleb Sharpe, can be labeled with such opinion. He was in our home two days before he committed murder in his high school two short years ago. We knew something was amiss, but where do you go when it is only a feeling? I have zero sympathy for those like him and others that will surely follow. No thought other than hate for such monsters. I am OK with addressing my hate in this situation and letting society know where I stand.

I am often hit by those in this community that are of liberal thought. I want them to continue. My life, and the lives of many of my fellow Republicans can be thoroughly vetted and certain rights given due to a life's diligence. If one loses those rights due to fault of their own, then so be it. So be it and so shall it stand.

I say to all that want freedom... Document everything, be thorough in nature, use your rights and the laws around you to better those deserving, and stand your ground.




I know... and honestly, I started reading the guy's manifesto, and I agreed with the first 1/3rd of it in theory until he started talking about killing, race and all kinds of other crazy **** . The Democrats are obviously trying to flood the country with poverty for the sole purpose of maintaining a dependency class of impoverished citizens that they can rely on for vote. The goal, very obviously, is to ensure a liberal rule so they can implement socialism. They try to portray the idea that they care about poor people, which we know they don't. But, there are a lot of morons who think that's what the point of this is, so they go along with it.

The big difference between liberals and Conservatives I think is, the Liberals are only thinking about themselves... they want all the free stuff, while the Conservatives believe their ideals will the means for people to make themselves successful (at least this is how I feel). I don't vote for a President, Senator, or Congressman because I want something out of it personally... I vote for someone because I think they're going to uphold American Constitutional values.

It absolutely sucks because the Democrats immediately use this to their advantage, and it probably encourages others to copy-cat this psychotic behavior. I know many of you on here are atheists, and that's TOTALLY your right. But most of the people they're allowing to stream into this country are Catholic (South America is 97% Catholic, and Central America is 89% Catholic). As a Hispanic myself... I too am Catholic, so I'm *happy* at least the morals are generally understood, and Hispanics are very religious. But the liberals are baiting these poor people on the idea of greed and victim ideology... it sets a precedence for many of these people to believe they are owed something, and it totally upsets the concept of work ethic that our country is founded on.

I know most people think of Mexicans as really hard working people who are willing to do anything and everything, wearing plaid shirts and working hard in the field for minimal pay because... they're just happy to have a job. There ARE many Mexican-Americans who feel that way, and THAT IS the kind of work ethic we want in our country. But... the people who are coming over the border now are very often not of the same mindset. They have an entitlement mentality, and I see it constantly here in San Antonio.

Anyway... we're in a tough situation now... I guarantee to you that Trump is going to be forced to make a decision... if he's not personally encouraged to do so, he will have political pressure to do so.

If I was president... I'd call a meeting of all the groups...

1 - The Anti-Gun Lobby
2 - The NRA and Pro-Gun Lobby
3 - Health and Human Services
4 - The American Psychological Association

I'd have them all go into a room with my aides, and I'd tell them... come up with some comprehensive ideas that are fair for everyone that can help solve our problems. This isn't time for you guys to bicker and stand your ground... you both need to come up with some common sense ideas. Keep Congress totally out of it, and then present the UNIFIED findings (consensus agreed by all) to the public, and Congress, and ask them to legislate... whatever that might end up being.

I trust the NRA, and I trust that they wouldn't yield where it wasn't inappropriate to do so. This is clearly a mental-illness problem... NOT a gun problem.

Besides... we're less than a decade away from people being able to 3D print and home-assemble a laser hand-gun... and then none of these laws make a bit of difference anymore.