I am replacing the quarter panel windows on an '86 GT and I have found good info on this site and others regarding removal/install. However, the sites I've visited stress the point that only 3M products should be used (General Purpose Adhesive Cleaner and Automotive Grade Double Face Tape.) The sites provide the 3M product code for the General Purpose Cleaner but do not provide the product code for the double side tape. After going to a few auto parts stores they tell me they can order the 3M products but they need to know the product code since 3M produces several different types of automotive double sided tape. I called the 3M customer service line in St. Paul, MN but I was connected to a woman in the automotive division who I am certain couldn't change the tire on her car let alone understand what I needed. Does anyone know the product code? Shawn
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I needed. Does anyone know the product code? Shawn[/B]
Look in your phone book for a body shop supply store. If you cant find anything listed there, goto or a call large body shop. They will either be able to tell you where to go or even have the 1/4 tape there. Thats how I did it.
Steven
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Paul McKibben- who produces and sells replacement quarter windows recommends the following:
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NOTE: To attach the sail panels to the frame, use 3M double sided tape, Stock No. 06384 (1/2" x 0.045" x 5 yd) available from NAPA, Pep Boys, and other similar parts stores. Ask for it by the 3M stock number. If you can't locate it we have it and can apply it to your sail panels for $3 per panel. This way all you have to do is peel off the protective backing on the tape and stick the sail panel to the car. WARNING! In one instance that we know of, use of the wrong tape caused the paint to peel from the back of the sail panel and the panel came loose. Use the recommended tape so you avoid this problem.
Another tape which will work well is 3M Stock No. 03609. This is identical to Stock No. 06384 but is only 5 feet long. This is enough to do one sail panel, but comes up about 16 inches short for two panels.
as has already been said, window-weld is not what you want.
You want 6382 1/2", or 6383 7/8". Although both of those are very large rolls. If memory serves me right 6385 is 1/4" and a shorter roll. After all, you probably don't need $30 worth of 2 sided tape. But lemme tell ya, its strong stuff!
The only correct tape to use on the fastback sails is
Scotch Mount Urethane White Tape. 3M part number 06450
This is what the vendor that produced the sails for GM used.
If you have removed a fastback sail you will remember the tape is thick and it's white. It's used because it absorbs shock and temp extremes.
unfortunatly it's only sold in 25-30 yard rolls for around $32.00 and MOST places like Napa or autozone does not stock it, and will not order it because 3M will only sells it by the case.
It is not used in many applications any longer. BUT the PT cruiser uses this tape in some window in that unit, So you could try a Mopar dealers body shop to see if they have that number on hand.
hope this helps you out if you use any other tape you may as well expect to pick up your sail on the way back lol
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Posts: 1437 From: Interior Alaska Registered: Dec 1999
Calling a body shop and telling them what you need will get the correct stuff. 3M makes a shitload of similar tapes, where I work we use 6382 for just about everything. Its a grey urethane. Vent visors and rocker panel kits use it and its tough. Stick a stainless steel rocker panel on crooked and ya gotta buy another one, it will not come loose without being destroyed.
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If you choose to Use the 6383 be warned, you may be going back to go pick up the sail window when it falls out!
the 6383 sticks great on visors, moldings and stuff that. But not on 86-88 GT sail windows!
The problem is the twisting and flexing in the 86-88 fastback clip where the sail windows are attached. The problem with the 6383 tape is it's to thin! It offers no cushioning like the white 1/8" thick white urethane scotch mount does. in time either the black printed ink on the sail window or the paint on the car can let loose from vibration and flex on the rear clip on the fastbacks! and then the sail window install can fail. The 6383 is not 1/8 inch thick like the correct tape is. btw, you can't just double the thickness of the wrong type tape either! After two days in the sun it seems they don't like to stick to each other. Been there done that!
He asked for the correct product to use and I gave the correct info. If people choose to use the 6383 then I would warn them to keep an eye on the sails and catch them before they fall out. I think they are just to darned expensive to replace because they were installed wrong.
Again: For the interested people The correct tape to use for installing the 86-88 GT sail windows is 3M Scotch Mount white urethane (3M Part # 06450) 1/2"wide x 1/8" thick tape.
I am not looking for a flame war here I am just getting the correct requested info to him is all.
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OK fine, when I put my Fiero back together I will use the 1/8" white stuff instead of thin gray stuff. I hope you're happy 'cause I'm glad I know. Woulda had to give myself a solid kick in the ass if my sail windows had sailed away.
I believe FieroDave is right based upon the following information. First, I've measured the tape still yet to be removed from my used replacement windows and it is at least 1/8" thick. Second, the 3M web site indicates that the other tapes suggested above (3M 063XX series) are only .045 - .060" thick. Clearly too thin for such an uneven surface. The only problem with the FieroDave suggested tape (3M #06450)is that the protective backing shown on the 3M web site is white with green stripes. I have a section of tape on the replacement Q-window that someone fail to remove the backing from before installing the window. The color of this backing is Red. Maybe 3M just changed the backing color or maybe there is another tape not yet mentioned. My only other misgiving about 3M #06450 is that on the web site they show a picture of is tape being used to mount a soap dispenser in a public restroom. Beneath this picture the caption states the the tape is resistant to extreem cold and vibration. Well my question is how does it hold up to extreem heat? I might be over thinking this thing but I don't want to have to pick up my Q-windows off of the highway. I think I am going to have to call back to the 3M help line. Thanks for all of the input and effort! Shawn
I'll retract my earlier statement and agree with Dave on this one. I personally used the gray tape on mine and haven't had any problems (I use that stuff for alot of things, and had an open roll). But I can see his point, and agree that a thicker foam tape would probably be better for vibration absorbtion.
Originally posted by fierodave: Again: For the interested people The correct tape to use for installing the 86-88 GT sail windows is 3M Scotch Mount white urethane (3M Part # 06450) 1/2"wide x 1/8" thick tape.
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I don't think this will be enough for GT sail windows but it should help for various other things....
3M usually has very nice helpful people that actually know something.
Look up the product division for whatever it is you need and if you can't find it on the web site, Email/call them. ( www.3m.com )They will usually know exactly what you need. If you can do with a small amount of something they may even send you a free or cheap sample of it.
I've done this several times for things. As large companies go, they are among the best for this sort of support.
The samples arn't full rolls but they are enough for small stuff.
Don't abuse them either. They aren't stupid.
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