This is for all that’s been asking for a reasonably priced performance header that will bolt up to your factory exhaust system.
Here it is!
CNC Mandrel bent, 304 Stainless Steel with heavy-duty flanges. Y-pipe is included. Complete kit with studs and hardware $595
Less Y-pipe and hardware $495 (will bolt on to your original Y-pipe… only way to go for all you 88 guys.)
For the FIRST 10 takers, we are offering an additional $100, Post X-Mas/Holiday/Wedding discount as a gift to you. That’s only $395USD for the basic header package. First come first served.
Compare the difference and save. Upgrade at anytime and add what you can afford.
Sorry to all of those that has been trying to reach me over the holidays. My wedding was a blast!!! I hope this makes it up to you.
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Raydar Member
Posts: 40910 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
the stock design has basically been proven to be the best design, his headers are probably already ported and ready to go, like porting the stock "shorty headers" only his look 10x more durable. and not a bad price at all, what are the tube sizes and what size is the collector, is the y-pipe bigger in diameter than the stock y-pipe, id love to see a new y-pipe made with 1.75-2.25" pipes into a 2.5" collector.
I've looked down the ports of these - they are DEFINETLY big! The inside diameteer of the tubes is probably bigger than you could take a stock set to. You could sort of say that they're pre-gasket matched/ported.
And with the tubes at an angle they've gotta flow better than the "T" fitting style of the stock tubes.
Don't these remind you of aircraft headers? Or is it just me?
Slick looking fer sure.
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jelly2m8 Member
Posts: 6231 From: Nova Scotia, Canada Registered: Jul 2001
These are reasonable. FOCOA headers will end up costing you about $1150 CDN.
For $600 bux, I want more than just to be able to look at one pretty exhaust manifold.
For another 150 or so, you could have the sprints, which look a bit more exotic, because in the end, thats all any of the performance manifold / headers do on a stock 2.8, - eyecandy. Not saying I don't like eyecandy.
I also wouldn't say if either is better in the performance category, I myself would not be able to feel the very slight hp increase ( if any) over stock manifolds.
Thats why I feel to me 600 plus bux is more than I would care to pay for any header / exhaust manifold.
FFR,No where in either of my posts,have I told anybody not to buy these.
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AkursedX Member
Posts: 2890 From: Lackawanna NY Registered: Aug 2000
I am assuming yes since they work with the stock Y-pipe.
If they do, is there any chance you could put together a package deal with the headers, turbo kit, and a set of those copper head-gaskets?? Maybe ~$2500??
I will be getting the turbo kit for sure as soon as I get my tax return, but those headers are looking quite nice as well
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Neal Member
Posts: 1247 From: Calgary AB, Canada Registered: Jun 2001
for $495 you can get WCF longtube headers in 1024 steel and for a few more dollars you can get them ceramic coated LOCALLY (not the 300 that WCF wants, holly crap) Granted their 304 stainless set sells for $895. but a 1024 steel ceramic coated header should last as long as a stainless one.
THe fiero store sells the sprint manifolds for 550 ceramic coated, no y pipe. At regular price thats only $50 more then these. Again not stainless but ceramic coated so likely just as durable.
They look like a good product to me but maybe $200 to much cosidering market price of other headers.
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RedOktober Member
Posts: 269 From: Vancouver,B.C. Registered: Aug 2000
How do you compare $895 to $595 (apples to apples)
then compare the Sprint headers in mild steel at $550 to Stainless Steel for $395/($495 regular price). (Apples to Oranges)
As for mild steel lasting as long as stainless... I beg to differ. And good ceramic coating will cost you anywheres from 100-300. BTW, mild steel will then rot from the inside out, but they look pretty. :-)
As for Dyno testing....What type of numbers are you looking for? The max gains for any header system will be 10%. And if you are starting at 140 hp then you will only gain a max of 10-14 hp. But that will depend on where you start. Most 2.8's are producing 100-110 on the dyno in the first place, so you might gain 5-10hp. This is just my opinion, somebody correct me if I am wrong here.
What these are for is for those FEW that want something different. Trust me, if I could recover my development and production costs, i would be happy. Now if there is a high demand for these and they sell like my Honda Headers, then I would be more than happy to lower the price. But I will not sacrifice quality in material or welding to save someone a few dollars.
How do you compare $895 to $595 (apples to apples)
then compare the Sprint headers in mild steel at $550 to Stainless Steel for $395/($495 regular price). (Apples to Oranges)
As for mild steel lasting as long as stainless... I beg to differ. And good ceramic coating will cost you anywheres from 100-300. BTW, mild steel will then rot from the inside out, but they look pretty. :-)
As for Dyno testing....What type of numbers are you looking for? The max gains for any header system will be 10%. And if you are starting at 140 hp then you will only gain a max of 10-14 hp. But that will depend on where you start. Most 2.8's are producing 100-110 on the dyno in the first place, so you might gain 5-10hp. This is just my opinion, somebody correct me if I am wrong here.
What these are for is for those FEW that want something different. Trust me, if I could recover my development and production costs, i would be happy. Now if there is a high demand for these and they sell like my Honda Headers, then I would be more than happy to lower the price. But I will not sacrifice quality in material or welding to save someone a few dollars.
No flames intended.
Very well put. You guys comparing these to other headers out there aren't really comparing them equally. And these still come out to be cheaper, anyway, so what are you whining about? Granted, they don't look as big as most headers on the market, because they follow the stock design. But it's obvious these are superior to the stock manifolds, in more ways than one. I see no point bitching about the price. These are the cheapest I've seen, even at the normal price. If you don't want to buy them, then you don't have to. This guy is trying to help the Fiero community and offer more choices. If you guys got a big group of people to buy these, he might be willing to lower the price a bit, but that's his call, of course. He's already knocked off $100 for the first 10 buyers!
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Raydar Member
Posts: 40910 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
Okay. I just noticed something. Look closely, please. These things have a one piece flange plate, instead of three separate flanges. That alone makes these worth the price of admission, IMHO. And stainless, too? As one who has spent several hours trying to "true up" a warped set of Sprints with a belt sander, I feel qualified to comment.
If I ever need another set of manifolds, I'll be giving you a call.
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88 3.4 coupe. A work in progress. Out of my mind. Back in 30 minutes.
RedOktober, you are not out of line with anything. The only thing you are forgetting is that Fiero owners tend to be cheap. I personaly love them and would definetly use them over the sprint headers or much anything else.
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FieroMaster88 Member
Posts: 7680 From: Mattawan, MI Registered: Nov 2000
I like them, GREAT JOB do you make pipes for anything else.....3800, 3.4, 3.5 and can you cut them open to fit the alumimum "D" port heads on the 3100,3400's?
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timmer Member
Posts: 1266 From: langley/surrey b.c..canada Registered: Oct 2002
Can you do that for the 3.1-3.4 Aluminum head engines? The only difference is the center exhaust port is more centered and a 1/2" larger diameter exhaust pipe which also moves the bolts apart about 1/2" at the ports.
Earl R.
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Alex4mula Member
Posts: 7403 From: Canton, MI US Registered: Dec 1999
Those look pretty nice and the introduction price is pretty fair. If you want them for looks that would be fine. But I think anyone selling performance products could get more credibility with a dyno sheet that shows their impact across the whole RPM range. I bet those should not dissapoint you in that area. Just my opinion
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Dennis LaGrua Member
Posts: 15442 From: Hillsborough, NJ U.S.A. Registered: May 2000
Nice job on the headers. These would certainly improve power but I believe would need to be used with the improved crossover pipe to do so. Whether this log design or individual tube design will make more power is a question for the dyno. For those of you questioning the price; remember these are made of stainless steel and also being manufactured in low volume. D
Well I have found a place that is selling Long Tube Headers for the v-6 fiero for $795 CAD, they also are supposed to have 4 cyl headers and all mount right to existing exhaust
The Place is called Fiero Conversions Inc. the ph# is (519) 972-4989
Hours are:
Mon-Fri 8:30am-5:00pm Sat 9:00-12:00
addy is 3410 Walker Road, Windsor, Ont., Canada
Postal Code N8W 3S3
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Gridlock Member
Posts: 2874 From: New Westminster, BC Canada Registered: Apr 2002
Nice job on the headers. These would certainly improve power but I believe would need to be used with the improved crossover pipe to do so. Whether this log design or individual tube design will make more power is a question for the dyno. For those of you questioning the price; remember these are made of stainless steel and also being manufactured in low volume. D
I was waiting for someone to mention that manufacturing in batches increases the price over a mass-produced product for say a 5.0 mustang
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Fire451 Member
Posts: 314 From: British columbia, Canada Registered: Sep 2002
Originally posted by Rickady88GT: I like them, GREAT JOB do you make pipes for anything else.....3800, 3.4, 3.5 and can you cut them open to fit the alumimum "D" port heads on the 3100,3400's?
Just thought I'd pop in and let you know that I have just had a pair of KFG SS Headers installed in my 88 GT. Not only have they improved the performance of my engine in the mid and upper RPM ranges, but they have also turned that nasty in your face noise coming out of my old factory headers into a deeper, richer, mellower tone -- I almost forgot to mention that the near stock look (which I prefer) with the stainless steel finish is beautiful!
All I can say is KFG Headers are superb and are worth every penny. Anybody who wants to slag these products because they are too expensive is dreaming -- these headers are a class act -- buy them (your Fiero deserves them) and you won't regret it
Thanks to RedOktober for introducing another quality component for the Fiero community, and John (Watts) for doing a brilliant installation for me.
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Posts: 3256 From: Coaldale, AB, Canada Registered: Aug 2001
