Wednesday, PBJ, I took your advice and got a piece of metal exhaust pipe bent for the drivers side coolant hose. 1 1/2" diameter, they don't have 1 1/4" which would have fit the stock hoses better but I got them on. I took the stock hose with me and said I need one like this out of metal. Five minutes later and $20.00 lighter I had a metal coolant pipe. I had him leave the ends a little longer so I could trim it for a good fit. It worked pretty good, short piece of hose between the lower pipe and the metal replacement and a short piece of hose between the metal replacement and the CSI inline radiator filler and it fits pretty good and the inline radiator filler sits level too. I made up a positive battery cable too, I felt the stock V6 cable and the 4cyl. cable were too tight of a fit. I mean they did mount up but there was no slack, if the motor would move too much I felt they would have broke or pulled out so I took the stock Caddy Deville cable which is three inches longer that I got with the motor and soldered on the small lead wire cause the Caddy pos. cable doesn't have one. I had to take it to work and use a torch on it cause my high power solder gun didn't have enough umph to get it done. I don't remember right now, does the lead wire go to the alternator or to the hook up under the C500 connector? Car is an '86 I also hooked up the stock Fiero evaporative canister, I think I got the vacum lines hooked up right. I hooked up the line which is lower on the canister cap to the front of the throttle body on the higher fitting(Fiero manual says this line goes to the throttle body) and I hooked up the line which is higher on the canister cap to the front of the throttle body on the lower fitting (Fiero manual says this line hooks up to intake manifold vacum). I hooked up my auto tranny shifter cable to the gear selctor on the 4T60e tranny, If you remember the mount I made came up about a 1/2" too short and the cable fitting didn't reach the linkage fitting. Found out I have an adjustable shifter cable, two minutes of adjusting and "Bingo! we have contact, no problem. Run the shifter thru the gears and we get all four forwards. I'm about 95% positive that all the mechanical stuff is done now so I guess it's on to the wiring...Rockcrawl, you've got a chip coming your way for reprogramming!!!
Had a good night tonight... Thanks for reading and all the input.
Dragon1/Brian
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Posts: 4167 From: London, On., Canada Registered: Jan 2001
7/28/03 Started to do the wiring on Sat.Using the diagrams on Rockcrawl's website I started tracing wires and labeling them at the engine to dash connector. Then I pulled them out of the connector and untanged the whole mess. Taped the ends of the wires together that go to the same senors or switches and laid them on the sides and back of the car all in there own directions to keep them separate. Now that they are all untangled and separate it doesn't look like so much work anymore. Then I double checked the labels I put on them to make sure that they are going to the sensors and switches that the label says they should. Started to loom a couple circuts on the motor then used tie wraps to loosely hold the loom in position. After the car runs and I'm sure everything is correct I will snip the tie wraps and put the split tubing over the wires and tape and tie wrap into position.
Not so intimidating after you straighten out the mess...
Sent my chip to Rockcrawl for that magic touch. I'm still marking and relooming wires. I don't get to work on it every night, maybe every other night or so it's taking me longer than I would have liked.
will keep you guys posted...
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Posts: 4821 From: Oak Hill, WV Registered: May 2001
7/28/03 Started to do the wiring on Sat.Using the diagrams on Rockcrawl's website I started tracing wires and labeling them at the engine to dash connector. Then I pulled them out of the connector and untanged the whole mess. Taped the ends of the wires together that go to the same senors or switches and laid them on the sides and back of the car all in there own directions to keep them separate. Now that they are all untangled and separate it doesn't look like so much work anymore. Then I double checked the labels I put on them to make sure that they are going to the sensors and switches that the label says they should. Started to loom a couple circuts on the motor then used tie wraps to loosely hold the loom in position. After the car runs and I'm sure everything is correct I will snip the tie wraps and put the split tubing over the wires and tape and tie wrap into position.
Not so intimidating after you straighten out the mess...
I'm not ignoring you guys just nothing going on right now. I've been straightening out the wiring, matching and marking, cutting and extending wires and trying to read wiring diagrams. Jon's got my chip, I think he's got it by now. Hopfully I will have the wiring done when it comes back. Wiring isn't too hard just keep track of what your doing and it seems pretty simple. There have been some things I didn't understand or couldn't figure out, Jon's been helping by answering my questions.Thanks Jon. I figure it should be running by the end of the month. I've been doing the wiring a little at a time 2hrs. here, 2 hrs. there. Helps keep you focused as opposed to trying to do it all at once and getting frustrated.
Ok, almost done with the engine compartment wiring, time to move to the interior ECM wiring. Got my exhaust stuff from Jegs on Thurs. Hi-flow cat converter, flowmaster 80 muffler w/one in, two outs for dual exhaust and I also got 180 degree mandrel bent exhaust pipe, stainless steel, 2 1/2" dia.
Holy crap, that pipe is big!!!!Looks like it's something that came off a school bus or something......
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Ok, questions for Rockcrawl or anyone who has done the 4.9 wiring before..
1).C500 pin "E3" goes to distributor "Ign." connection. My distributor says "BATT"and "TACH", "BATT" is the same thing as "IGN." right??
2).C500 has a orange wire that has a plug together connector about 6" from the C500 plug. It doesn't show up on Rockcrawls C500 pinout, what is it for and where do I put it?? It's a larger diameter wire, not as large as the yellow wire but bigger than the usual wires. I didn't get the pin number but if you need it I can get it for you.
3).Page 3 and 4 of Rockcrawls caddy wiring diagrams: wire #639 pnk/blk comes from the transmission solinoid and splices with wire #639 coming from the EGR switch, canister purge switch, and p/steering switch. The question is, the diagrams say the wire goes to a fuse in the relay center, where should I hook this wire up to.
Ok, questions for Rockcrawl or anyone who has done the 4.9 wiring before..
1).C500 pin "E3" goes to distributor "Ign." connection. My distributor says "BATT"and "TACH", "BATT" is the same thing as "IGN." right??
Batt means "hot at all times"
Ign means "hot with ign on and crank"
2).C500 has a orange wire that has a plug together connector about 6" from the C500 plug. It doesn't show up on Rockcrawls C500 pinout, what is it for and where do I put it??
Orange wires generally "Hot at all times wires"
3).Page 3 and 4 of Rockcrawls caddy wiring diagrams: wire #639 pnk/blk comes from the transmission solinoid and splices with wire #639 coming from the EGR switch, canister purge switch, and p/steering switch. The question is, the diagrams say the wire goes to a fuse in the relay center, where should I hook this wire up to.
I would hook it up to a "hot with ign on wire" Usually Pink wire All those items are low amperage items and can be spliced in to another circuit. I did not use any of those in our conversion, different ecm and trans for us.
Thanks again Pete, Hope you understand that I'm not being lazy by asking for help, I just want to be sure it's right. I'm getting anxious and want to finish....
All right,Thanks to PBJ for the "BATT,"/"IGN.", wire placement. The other two I finally figured out. The orange wire that came from C500 and I didn't know where it was supposed to go to. Well it didn't come from C500, I looked real close and it comes from the battery connections below C500, so it is the orange wire that comes from the connections under C500 and goes to the ECM C16 and B1 for battery connections. As far as the pnk/blk wire I looked at my wiring diagrams in my caddy book and it gets spliced in with the fuel pump power wire, so thats where I put it.
Thanks PBJ, Dragon1/Brian
PS. Have you heard from Jon"Rockcrawl" lately??? I emailed him three times last week and no reply. I know he's busy working on everybodys cars. I just wondered cause I just had an incident with a ebay seller who claims to have not received about 30 of my emails telling him I had not received what I had bought. Check out "Bad Ebay deal" in the O/T section. Finally got it resolved with the help of some Forum members.
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10:29 PM
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Posts: 4821 From: Oak Hill, WV Registered: May 2001
I am having trouble getting in touch with Jon too. He told me the other day he just doesnt have enough time in the day to get to everything. I have to send my MEMCAL back since while my tranny was out I had 3.33 gears installed.
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I don't have air on my Fiero. I just needed the compressor to use for an idler pulley to run the belt around the water pump with more coverage, I was concerned about the belt/pump slipping at high torque loads. I took the guts out of the compressor to save weight, so it's just an empty housing with a bearing and pulley on the end.
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Posts: 2772 From: Jacksonville, Fl- usa Registered: Aug 2001
Hi guys It's been a while I know, I've been working on the wiring, with nothing to tell. Well the wiring is completed, the hardest part was keeping it neat and tidy to make covering it later easier. Got all the wires hooked up to where they belong(I hope)and didn't have any extra wires haunting me. I did have some questions but Rockcrawl and PBJ and others helped me out. Thank's guys. Got ahold of Rockcrawl the other day and my chip is on the way. Thanks again to Rockcrawl. I have another question though, I touched the pos. battery connector to the pos. battery post and got a big spark, which to me means something is shorted. Traced it down to being the big red wire on the stud of the alternator, when I unhook it no big spark, when I hook it back up, big spark. I'm thinking that my alternator is shorted. Now I had previosly taken it completely apart(I have done this to others with no problems)to clean the brush contacts and grease the rear bearing, maybe I screwed something up. So tell me this... The pos. cable from the battery goes to the starter and the smaller red wire that branches off of the pos. wire by the battery goes to the connection under the C500 connector. The big red wire from the alternator stud goes to the same connector under the C500 connector that charges the battery right. Just so I know the wires are going where they should be.
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11:19 AM
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Posts: 4821 From: Oak Hill, WV Registered: May 2001
Yes, you have those two pos wires in the correct location. I had to cut the o0 part of my old 2.8 harness to jump from the top to bottom connector there since I used Ed Parks harness.
hey brian can you e mail me any pics you have that people sent you of their set ups? It seem I read somewhere that you were requesting pics of peoples engine mounts or something. I have your pics to look at, but if anyone sent you other pics that have been helpful could you send them my way?
and a little more info on what you ended up doing with your intake manifold water hose would also be helpful.\ Thanks Darren
