quote Originally posted by Tom Corey: OK, guys plese don't get offended. I'm basing my statements on the way MY 4.9 runs... Hey!, If we can find a way to make it go faster I'm sure as heck not going to complain!!

Tom, just a quick observation.
Isn't your 4.9 running through the stock Fiero exhaust system, including the cat?
I understand your desire to keep it looking and sounding "factory", but that could be choking off some power that is available with the "other" (loud) system that people are installing.
It might also be contributing to the spark knock that you mentioned in another thread. (That's a complete shot in the dark. If anyone disagrees, that's cool. So be it. )

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Raydar
88 3.4 coupe.

Coming soon...
88 Formula, presently under the knife.

Hello, there is NO REPLACEMNET FOR DISPLACEMENT. We're comparing a 300 ci motor to a 350 ci motor. As Archie pointed out, he's putting in 'new' motors. My opinion is that Caddy motors lead pampered lives and are good canidates. And we're talking about a motor developed for a rear drive application vs a transverse motor with a broader torque curve for the unequal drive shafts for less wheel spin (torque steer).

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John DuRette
Black 85 SE, undergoing work as we speak!
Battery re-located up front using a V8 Archie box
Remote Start/Window Rollup/Lock/Trunk Release/Alarm
White Gauge Faces w/120 MPH Speedometer Conversion
Urethane Suspension Bushings
Sequential Tallights
Custom Painted Dash Panels
Oreif's painted door tabs and horn button
Shortened Automatic Shifter w/Beretta shiftknob
SpyHunter Scoop
H4 Headlight Conversion - done right!
LED Third Brake Light/Custom Headliner
Thunderbird Turbo hood scoops
Braided Steel Brake Hoses
Lowered an inch

Still not on the road!

quote Tom, just a quick observation. Isn't your 4.9 running through the stock Fiero exhaust system, including the cat? I understand your desire to keep it looking and sounding "factory", but that could be choking off some power that is available with the "other" (loud) system that people are installing. It might also be contributing to the spark knock that you mentioned in another thread. (That's a complete shot in the dark. If anyone disagrees, that's cool. So be it. )

I run the stock Fiero exhaust system with no CAT. Since I started this thread that won't die Rockcrawl made me a chip that both stopped the infernal pinging and improved performance. However, I am fairly certain now that part of the performance issue is the 4T60E transaxle. It seemed to be sticking like the brake was on off the line and has since died - broken thruster washer pieces in the tranny pan, etc.. So now I am in the process of replacing the transaxle.

quote Originally posted by Kento: Cali - Kid, I can agree with what you are saying too but some of us dont have the resources ( both $$ and Time) to have someone else do this.

Understand all the points you made in your post very well, I only posted what I did because I've seen too many people get burned. You have to be pretty smart and knowledgable when considering used / unrebuilt engines, transmissions, and parts in a conversion. The job is bad enough with a mid-engine and if you have to do it twice, it ain't going to be cheap. One fact I've learned over the years is as follows:

If something is really worth doing, do it right the first time. Even if it means delaying the project until you've saved enough funds to make the project meet your true desires. To many times people will jump on a lesser expensive solution to find that they aren't truely satisfied, that results in either doing it again, or flushing that dream down the toilet permanently, or a least for a very long time because they've put themselves in a deep finance hole on the first attempt.

Just wanted to put a "Caution" message out there, as these type of decisions require burning a few brain cells, so that your project will capture your dreams, and will also be dependable for years to come.

Also wanted to Thank You for the compliments on my car, it's burned quite a few brains cells of numerous people in it's development!!!

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I was referring to people who love to compare how cheap a 4.9 is compared to how expensive a 350 swap is, but don't compare equally. No doubt a 4.9 can be done much cheaper than a SBC. I've driven a 4.9 and seen lots of them and they look and sound great. Not to mention being fast. If you're looking for the most bang for your buck under 300HP, the 4.9 is really hard to beat. If you want over 300HP, the 4.9's economy and reliability have suddenly been tossed out the window. At that point, it's probably cheaper, easier, and more reliable to go with a SBC.

quote Originally posted by Howard_Sacks: Don't be fooled. You need to weld the motor mount on Archie's "kit." It's not exactly an elegant solution.

So does the requirement for welding make it "not elegant"? Any LT1 swap then isn't elegant. Cali Kids swap isn't elegant because he's using a Zumalt kit, which requires cutting and welding on the frame rails. The Chris Moore Northstar Convertible (Mr.Fiero's car?) is definitely not elegant then because I'm sure he had to do some welding on it. Nevermind it's best engineered awards ... it had to have some welding so it's not elegant. Whatever dude.

Why don't you just say you don't like Archie's kits? That much is obvious, but it looks like you're really reaching for things to complain about.

No. Archie's "kit" isn't elegant because it requires the customer to have to weld. Check out other engine swap kits. I can take picures of the aluminum CNC'd mounts I have that don't require frame rail notching or customer welding if you're curious what a real "kit" would look like. I think that's a hell of a lot more elegant then cutting and welding angle iron.

Dave made the statement that he might want to do Archie's kit because he can't weld. That's a flawed reason. He would need to do the same amount of welding with a 4.9 conversion. THe only difference is the 4.9 would have the potential to be done properly because all the mounts can be rubber mounted instead of having two rubber and one solid. One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out why solid mounting some mounts and not others is a bad idea.

I'm not reaching. Just pointing out something that was written which is wrong.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: So does the requirement for welding make it "not elegant"? Any LT1 swap then isn't elegant. Cali Kids swap isn't elegant because he's using a Zumalt kit, which requires cutting and welding on the frame rails. The Chris Moore Northstar Convertible (Mr.Fiero's car?) is definitely not elegant then because I'm sure he had to do some welding on it. Nevermind it's best engineered awards ... it had to have some welding so it's not elegant. Whatever dude. Why don't you just say you don't like Archie's kits? That much is obvious, but it looks like you're really reaching for things to complain about.

If you don't know or have never done a swap then the 4.9 conversion is going to be more money then you hope it would be. My 4.9 swap was very expensive probally as much as buying a archie kit and getting a used 350 engine maybe. If I can go back and do this swap again It would cost me much less( I have the right tools now )

The 4.9 swap will cost you if

1.) you do not have all the needed tools or friends with the tools needed ( tools can be very expensive) And that includes a welding gun. There are no ways around getting around not having to weld something on any engine swap. Bottom line if you want the part to stay or withstand any abuse your going to need to do some welding period it's as simple as that.

Learning how to wield did not take me long I picked it up in a week.

2.) if your like me and everything you go through has to be replaced or better off replaced ( what californa kid mentioned done right) Then parts will cost you. Trying to get by with worn out parts is only going to give you headachs, When removing things like motors and ect you will find some worn out stuff or maybe break something. Remember these cars are more than 16years old.

3.) all 4.9 motors do not come with alt, starters and sometimes even distributers, computers,wireharnesses ect Those parts will cost ya.

4.) brakes, If your brakes have not been changed in a period of 1year or your brakes look worn out then bottom line it might be wise to either upgrade them or replace them, rotors and ect will be costly.

5.) the most important thing!! MAKE SURE YOU GET A MOTOR THAT WORKS, the first motor I had was a 4.5 300hundred bucks wasted, The motor was a 89 4.5 those are very powerless and slower than a 4.9 and to make matters worst mine had a cracked head on both banks, when I tore it down it had a hole in cyl 5 more like it was chewed up and caused a unborable scuff on the liner wall. Needless to say it was not worth rebuilding and I had to scrap that engine and get a replacement. Now I have a 4.9 and before buying I got a chance to here it run and it had good miles 50K miles and was cleaned very well. 500bucks I paid for this one. it took me paying 800bucks for a motor when I could of saved 300bucks by doing the right thing in the first place.

My opinion on the SBC vs the 4.9 Everyone has a driving daily style there's no better swaps each swap has a reason why you decided to go with the selected engine of your choice. I selected the 4.9 for simple reasons

I have never visited a track so I normally don't race... I did the 4.9 to get to the next stop light fast, To retain the wieght of my vechical and to zoom around happy and go lucky. And to enjoy my fiero and hear the nice v8 muscle sound and have my accelerating frenzies. Plus this car will be a daily driver.

I have noughting against the SBC it's probally going to be my next project for my second fiero I want to get. ( That will be my track car)

someone also said that the 4.9 only yields 15s ROLF ROLF ROLF I don't think so I know for a fact my 4.9 is alot more faster than my stock engine. high to mid 13s to low 14s may be relistic.

just my 2cents

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quote Originally posted by Mastermind: Archie, the 10 grand quote came straight from your mouth, as I was checking various installers to get my car back on the road. That price was simply out of the question. especially when I had numerous other things to repair or replace on my car.

ROFLMAO !!!!!!!!

I'm glad to see that my methods work. I've mentioned in several threads that I'm not interested in doing business with people that come accross on the phone like idiots. Sometimes when talking to people on the phone & I don't like their attitude or just don't feel that I want to do business with them I blow them a high price to get them to leave me alone. Rather than hurt their feelings by just telling them off, I can just throw them a high price so they'll go bother someone else.

Don't get your feelings hurt because sometimes I tell them $20K to get rid of them.

YATWL

Archie

quote Originally posted by Tom Corey: Hope this doesn't start another never-ending thread.....

Je je je! You knew this was coming, eh? This is a good thread for newbies to separate the BS'ers from the nice people.
That was a great comparison. Love the #s on the SBC . Please post the new 4.9 numbers after fixing things up. I guess they should improve a little. Some day I'll have to build a SBC

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quote Originally posted by Archie: ROFLMAO !!!!!!!! I'm glad to see that my methods work. I've mentioned in several threads that I'm not interested in doing business with people that come accross on the phone like idiots. Sometimes when talking to people on the phone & I don't like their attitude or just don't feel that I want to do business with them I blow them a high price to get them to leave me alone. Rather than hurt their feelings by just telling them off, I can just throw them a high price so they'll go bother someone else. Don't get your feelings hurt because sometimes I tell them $20K to get rid of them. YATWL Archie

What a coincidence. I hold the same sentiments about so called businessmen that come across as arrogant know it all capital A's. That's another reason I decided not to consider you for my business. I'd rather drive a go kart than kiss the ring of a person so self absorbed.

quote Originally posted by Tom Corey: I run the stock Fiero exhaust system with no CAT. Since I started this thread that won't die Rockcrawl made me a chip that both stopped the infernal pinging and improved performance. However, I am fairly certain now that part of the performance issue is the 4T60E transaxle. It seemed to be sticking like the brake was on off the line and has since died - broken thruster washer pieces in the tranny pan, etc.. So now I am in the process of replacing the transaxle.

Ah! Thanks for the response.
Glad y'all got the pinging and such resolved.
Good luck with the transaxle.
I'll go sit back, and watch the flame fest, now.
I would be interested in seeing more numbers, after you get it all sorted.

quote Originally posted by Howard_Sacks: No. Archie's "kit" isn't elegant because it requires the customer to have to weld. Check out other engine swap kits. I can take picures of the aluminum CNC'd mounts I have that don't require frame rail notching or customer welding if you're curious what a real "kit" would look like. I think that's a hell of a lot more elegant then cutting and welding angle iron. Dave made the statement that he might want to do Archie's kit because he can't weld. That's a flawed reason. He would need to do the same amount of welding with a 4.9 conversion. THe only difference is the 4.9 would have the potential to be done properly because all the mounts can be rubber mounted instead of having two rubber and one solid. One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out why solid mounting some mounts and not others is a bad idea. I'm not reaching. Just pointing out something that was written which is wrong.

I see your point. I don't necessarily agree, but I see where you're coming from. Having to weld does increase the required skill set of the builder. A strictly bolt-in deal would be easier.

quote Originally posted by Archie: ROFLMAO !!!!!!!! I'm glad to see that my methods work. I've mentioned in several threads that I'm not interested in doing business with people that come accross on the phone like idiots. Sometimes when talking to people on the phone & I don't like their attitude or just don't feel that I want to do business with them I blow them a high price to get them to leave me alone. Rather than hurt their feelings by just telling them off, I can just throw them a high price so they'll go bother someone else. Don't get your feelings hurt because sometimes I tell them $20K to get rid of them. YATWL Archie

I'm a lot like you Archie.. I won't do business with people who come across as idiots on the phone either.. However I won't be doing business with you because you come across as an idiot time and time again on the internet.

hey all, i'm kinda new at all this fiero stuff and am looking at upgrading mine. i can't afford a sbc and am probably gonna go with a 3800. ( due to location it's the cheapest) i have been reading up on it, and in the process am finding that people aren't REALLY reading what peole are saying or asking. here comes a slam and i'm gonna get it for it but here goes. mastermind you do have some good points but holy crap it seems all you do here is slam people, cheer up you have a 4.9. as for his times, someone on this thread said his new toy can be off by a couple of secs, maybe that is why the slow times. just my .02 cents

VIC

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I see your point. I don't necessarily agree, but I see where you're coming from. Having to weld does increase the required skill set of the builder. A strictly bolt-in deal would be easier.

Anyone packing some serious housepower is better off doing some excellent welding, rubber bushings, bolted mounts aren't going to cut it!!! With the job done right, you don't have to worry about things loosening up which leads to stress cracks, failed rubber mounts, and possible tearing of the cradle. Doesn't matter what engine your putting in.

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quote Originally posted by USFiero1: I'm a lot like you Archie.. I won't do business with people who come across as idiots on the phone either.. However I won't be doing business with you because you come across as an idiot time and time again on the internet.

I'm really sad to hear you folks say things about someone that is truly a rock in the Fiero community - particularly in a thread that I started. I don't see the point, particularly when you don't know someone personally, or have never even met them. I have met Archie, I'm not a friend, just an acquaintance, I have done business with him on multiple occasions and I can tell you this: He is honest, he knows what he is talking about, he is good Fiero people, and we need more guys like him around if we want to kep these things running and looking good. I also realize he is cocky and maybe even rude at times, but you try to answer the same dumb a$$ questions from people who don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground about Fieros a few hundred times a weekend at a Fiero show and let's see if you can qualify for the Miss Congeniality Award at the end of the weekend. I started this thread to give you all a realistic comparison between MY 4.9 and MY SBC powered Fieros. And it was only my opinion. The 4.9 guys probably have some valid complaints about the performance numbers I put up, becasue as it turns out, I had some technical problems with the 4.9 - new chip added since to correct the pinging and improve performance and now the most likely related transaxle problem. So I will post new numbers after the transaxle repair and those will be the real deal , too - whatever they are. And I never said one was better than the other. The bottom line I tried to get across to you all who frequently ask is that you cannot realistically compare the two - they are not the same car, and for me at least have totally different purpposes. They are as different as a Mustang and a Corvette. I love them both, but I personally really really really love the earth shaking, tire smoking, jaw rattling raw POWER of the SBC. And I say that without meaning to take anything away from the versatility, handling, and all round fun of the 4.9.

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Tom Corey
Melbourne, FL
87 Green T-Top GT 5Spd SBC ZZ3 V8
88 Yellow T-Top GT, 4.9L Caddy, 4T60E

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quote Originally posted by USFiero1: I'm a lot like you Archie.. I won't do business with people who come across as idiots on the phone either.. However I won't be doing business with you because you come across as an idiot time and time again on the internet.

Yeah, no problem.

About 90% of your posts are in the Mall where you're either selling something that's overpriced or you're giving someone else, who's selling something, a hard time.

So excuse me while I run out and see if I can find anyone who cares.

Nope

Archie

someone shoot this thread and put it out of it's misery

quote Originally posted by VIC: hey all, i'm kinda new at all this fiero stuff and am looking at upgrading mine. i can't afford a sbc and am probably gonna go with a 3800. ( due to location it's the cheapest) i have been reading up on it, and in the process am finding that people aren't REALLY reading what peole are saying or asking. here comes a slam and i'm gonna get it for it but here goes. mastermind you do have some good points but holy crap it seems all you do here is slam people, cheer up you have a 4.9. as for his times, someone on this thread said his new toy can be off by a couple of secs, maybe that is why the slow times. just my .02 cents VIC

VIC, perhaps we have a different definition of the word SLAM. I'll give you mine and I hope you'll share yours so that I'm clear on what you mean. I consider a SLAM a unwarranted, over the top statement with little or no basis in fact direct towards someone. By my definition I have SLAMMED no one. Now how about sharing yours?

BTW perhaps you are having trouble diffentiating between SLAMS and facts because you are new to all this Fiero stuff. I've owned my 87GT since 1989 and have a very good grasp of the Fiero installer community. I even remember when Archie ONLY installed carburated SBCs.

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quote Originally posted by Archie: What little Howie doesn't want you to notice is that, according to the instructions, at the time the front mount is welded to the cradle the 2 parts are bolted together & outside the car & can be easily carried to someone who can weld it. But then If Howard ever let the truth influence what he had to say, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Archie

Yeah, I knew that, but didn't think it would change his mind. I could see his point, I just don't agree with it.

quote Originally posted by California Kid: Anyone packing some serious housepower is better off doing some excellent welding, rubber bushings, bolted mounts aren't going to cut it!!! With the job done right, you don't have to worry about things loosening up which leads to stress cracks, failed rubber mounts, and possible tearing of the cradle. Doesn't matter what engine your putting in.

And tha'ts why. Heck, I've broken OEM tranny mounts on my stock 2.8 5-speed. I certainly wouldn't trust stock mounts on a 300+ HP V8. I'd use poly at the bare minimum.

Daaamm......you guys still at this one will it ever end....each motor has their own identity and they have strong and weak points and one of the good thing for the 4.9 is the cost as opposed to the SBC and performance .No one can underestimate the performance of the various SBC and the abundance of perf parts available that in the long term pays off with what you can do with it,the initial $3000 or so for Archies kit scares off potential swappers but that is a small price to pay for transforming a econo car to a world class sports car and the years of R&D that went into the developement of the kit,now on the other hand a 4.9 is a cheap alternative V8 power but the lack of after market support and parts limits your ability to make serious power as compared to the SBC.
Since we are talking $$$ let us say you get a used engine for $300 bone stock how can you expect to run high HP and low et at the track with no work done to it ..that just won't work and most new swappers read all this misinformation placed on PFF that it is doable for a grand hope to be a world beater..............naah wont work.
Just an example of what it will set you back to run good times with a 4.9 to be on par with most hi-perf motors check this out :

Pistons $600 a set
Custom cam regrind $100
Heads ported and polished and machined $250-800
Blueprinting and Balancing rotating assembly and block machining$500

and this is just an idea and not a complete rebuild so with these options economically the 4.9 cheap installation will cost more to have it run like a SBC in the long run performance wise.
It is time for every one to enjoy their respective engines and stop comparing as to which is better or the best suited for the Fiero .

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Master-Tuner-Akimoto-------------Check ypur PM or call me or e-mail me.

There are many problems when discussing the 4.9 vs. SBC. Some of the most vocal SBC supporters seem to have a problem accepting the fact that many 4.9 owners are perfectly satisfied with the performance of a stock 4.9. Some of these same people seem to think it's blasphemy to install a 4.9 simply because it can't be modded to extreme levels of HP.

They seem to ignore the desires of those Fiero owners who are not concerned about dragstrips, aftermarket/modifications and want V8 sound and power just not a SBC.

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This thread has been pure gold for me. Thanks, Tom, for giving us your impressions on both engines. I hope your 4.9 drops a second in the 1/4 mile when the trans is fixed.

I've ridden in 4.9 Fiero. It accelerated hard in 1st and second but flooring it at 70 in 5th wasn't as impressive. It pulled well but perhaps the basic limitation of the engine was showing. But on the positive side, the aluminum block helped it handle like nothing I've ever been in. I'm going to guess that any 4.9 Rockcrawl installs will get great mileage and at least be in the high 13's. He knows what to do to make a 4.9 run well as does "Tuner". When I get through with my other Fiero projects, I'm going to finish my own 4.9 swap.

But I love the 350 SBC. I didn't know that the engine mount was designed so that it could be taken to a welding shop. Great news since I can't weld. Archie, I'm going to buy a kit before long. This thread has convinced me.

If you want a light, smooth running engine thats easy to install I would go with the 4.9

If you want max power I would go with the SBC.

I think that is what this thread has prooved.

Greetings, gentlemen. I'm a relative newcomer to the Fieratic Brotherhood (or is it Fierotic?). One nice thing about the 4T60E is the ability to change the gearing with relative ease...I'm pretty sure the 3.23 gearset would go a ways toward making that 4.9 of Tom's sit up and bark...

cant help it,

had to add my reason for not going with the LS1/LS6 route. I really would love to use one of those engines mated to a 4T65E.

but... i came across a 4.0l northstar that looked sooo good and the price was right..., oh crap, so much for my chevy engine...

I am enjoying the challenge of the engine swap. I would if it was this 4.0 or the LS1. who knows? maybe it will run... it better be faster than the duke i took out or i quit... lol

ok, i really wanted to know if Tom's fixed tranny helped out...?

quote Originally posted by Tom Corey: Gawd! Here we go again! Yes, I'm comparing my two cars. People keep asking and I keep saying there is no comparison, so here's the figures I have. I'm not complaining about my 4.9, nor bragging about my SBC. I have driven the 4.9 18,000 miles in 18 months and it has been a great daily driver/trip car - really nice around town. Neither is for sale or will be in the near future. And I hope you are right and my 4.9 is actually in the "limp mode". But that remains to be seen. I like it anyway. They are not two cars that should be compared IMHO. MINE have totally different purposes and I think each succeeds. I think it will be fun to see what improvements I get tn the 4.9 with a new chip, however I am not expecting miracles. I'm not real fond of the 4T60E for the kind of driving I do (not so much where I go as much as the way I drive). The 4T60E does not have enough back pressure for me for driving curves (e.g. RFTH), but it is a great highway cruiser - however, I have never gotten the fantastic gas mileage - in ANY of my cars with a 4T60E - I get about 18-19 around town and about 22-23 on the highway - same as I got on my two 3800s with the 4T60E - of course Frank Martin or some of the RFTH crew will probably tell you that I don't exactly drive an average 70 mph either, I have fun. Anyway, this particular tranny seems to "stick" a little off the line, kind of like the torque converter sticks or doesn't really fully engage - don't know how else to describe it. It really seemed to not jump off the line today like it usually does. Anyway, these are just my figures from a fun project for the day.

yeah, your 4.9L is DEFINATELY in limp mode.. with 2.73 differential in the 4t60 e tranny, you should get a solid 30 MPG

Every time I read a thread that includes mastermind and Archie throat slashing, it makes me sick to my stomach and also causes me to dislike this website and the Fiero!
But, I have an idea. Why don't we all pitch in and rent a really big place and let Archie and Mastermind get in a ring and beat the hell out of each other--maybe a cage fight--two men in one man out.
Ok Ok----I know-------
Alright, how about this. Monster garage competition
Archies team
Masterminds team
same pile of parts-same tools------let's build a car!

Tom Corey -

Did you get the transaxle in and running. After reading this I'd like to see the out come.

BTW - Thanks for the comparison post. I understand that you were not comparing, just helping people with there curiosity. Thanks again.

Edit: Also you should get both of your cars to the track. I used a Gtech a few times when I had my mustang and used it at the track, (Bradenton) It did seem to be a consistant .3 - .5 seconds off. But that was when they first came out.

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3.4 SOLD & 4.9 being installed

"It's too low, too rough, too loud, drinks gas, it's totally impractical, but damn good lookin. In other words, It's almost perfect!"
Build up tread or MODS w/ Pics

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Tom, thanks for the comparison. It really helped me make the decision to go with the 4.9 in mine. Give me some more time and I'll eventually have my dream collection, a 4.9, a ZZ4 and a 3800 SC. In my eyes each engine has pro's and cons and I love them all. my man goal right now is getting my fiero to a performance level GM should have marketed the car with to me the 4.9 gives it that level. Next I want a Muscle Car Fiero the ZZ4 will give me that, then the 3800 car will give me a tuner Fiero.

quote Originally posted by jeffndebrus: Alright, how about this. Monster garage competition Archies team Masterminds team same pile of parts-same tools------let's build a car!

I'm up for that, I'll have the car done before He gets done talking about it.

Archie

This is good clean fun Archie vs Mastermind in a build off I had a rough day but this has sure made my day both of you guys are forever linked together BTW Archie do you still sell the 200 mph speedo kit PM me with a price.

Hey, Archie, can I get in on this??

Me, my shop, a 4.9 swap.
You, your shop, a SBC swap.

We start at the same time and record the progress on video.

I win! (Easily) Why? I don't take phone calls when I'm working in the shop!

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by Archie: I'm up for that, I'll have the car done before He gets done talking about it. Archie

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quote Originally posted by Master Tuner Akimoto: Archie do you still sell the 200 mph speedo kit PM me with a price.

Nope, not anymore. The lawyers seem to think I'd get sued by some widow of a customer who thought that because he had a 200 MPH speedo, he should be able to go 200.

Archie

quote Originally posted by Archie: Nope, not anymore. The lawyers seem to think I'd get sued by some widow of a customer who thought that because he had a 200 MPH speedo, he should be able to go 200. Archie

Sadly, they're probably right.
We live in the modern age of litigation.

Archie----are you saying my LT1 will not go 200MPH?
I want my money back --------------NOT

quote Originally posted by LT188GT: Archie----are you saying my LT1 will not go 200MPH? I want my money back --------------NOT

No, what I'm saying is that your Widows' lawyer will swear that I told you that it would do 200.

Archie