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Flux core wire welder OR arc stick welder by jeffndebrus
Started on: 05-03-2004 05:22 AM
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Report this Post05-03-2004 05:22 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jeffndebrusSend a Private Message to jeffndebrusDirect Link to This Post
Just wondering which is better. Years ago, I used an old Lincon arc welder. It worked fine except in my inexperience I would often burn through the metal I was working on which was primarily 1" square hollow steel tubing.---It was probably 1/8th thick.
Anyway, I am considering buying a welder for light houshold and Fiero work-----read that--welding engine mounts and cradle.
Should I get a flux core wire welder or an arc stick welder?

Thank you
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Report this Post05-03-2004 06:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
MIG, wire welders are more versatile.
Get one that you can use a shielding gas with, plus with wire you will be about to use smaller wire for thinner metal.
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Report this Post05-03-2004 08:01 AM Click Here to See the Profile for pprbart@cs.comSend a Private Message to pprbart@cs.comDirect Link to This Post
flux core welding demands absolutely clean metal becasue dirt will react with the heat an result in weld pores.
the weld will be uniform in strength. flux core is used in the out of doors. it creats its own gas shield during
flux burning. mig welding is very versatile. i can use it on very thin metal .032 to 3/16 on a 135amp miller unit.
also when the flux is burning it is harder to see the weld puddle, making it more difficult to place the weld.
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I use a Century 80 flux core wire feed welder with good results. I would prefer a MIG though for reasons already stated. I have the same trouble as you when trying to use a stick welder on thin metal.
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Report this Post05-04-2004 03:58 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jeffndebrusSend a Private Message to jeffndebrusDirect Link to This Post
Well,
money vs power---it seems you can buy an arc stick welder that will basically weld a railroad rail to the side of a cement truck for the same money it costs for a mig that is limited to 1/8 in mild steel. I would like to be able to weld 1/4in brackets for motor mounts. Why should I put out $500 up for a mig welder---if a stick welder that costs half the money will do the job? Just wondering what the benefit is??
Also, if a cheaper fluxcore wire welder says it is for steel up to 1/8in----does that mean that even with multiple passes---it won't safely weld 1/4in???
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Think I found a place with all the answers I need about welding.

http://www.millerwelds.com/

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Report this Post05-04-2004 07:05 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 86fieroEarlSend a Private Message to 86fieroEarlDirect Link to This Post
Some types of wire dont require shielding gas, I think the only time I would every hook my shielding gas up on mine is if im welding alluminum.


I never tried to do more than 1 pass my guess is if it only does 1/8th inch is to go very very slow on the weld of course Im not sure how hard it is on the welder but most is built with a thermal safty switch. And mine is very hard on the electric bill if used alot.

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Report this Post05-04-2004 09:48 AM Click Here to See the Profile for bushrootSend a Private Message to bushrootDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by jeffndebrus:

Well,
money vs power---it seems you can buy an arc stick welder that will basically weld a railroad rail to the side of a cement truck for the same money it costs for a mig that is limited to 1/8 in mild steel. I would like to be able to weld 1/4in brackets for motor mounts. Why should I put out $500 up for a mig welder---if a stick welder that costs half the money will do the job? Just wondering what the benefit is??
Also, if a cheaper fluxcore wire welder says it is for steel up to 1/8in----does that mean that even with multiple passes---it won't safely weld 1/4in???

bah...just weld both sides

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Report this Post05-04-2004 09:51 AM Click Here to See the Profile for silver86seSend a Private Message to silver86seDirect Link to This Post
hi, years ago i bought a mig , wire feed, flux core welder (gasless) and never looked back. i prefer flux core, dont have to buy gas, really never needed it much, other then aluminum. flux core is a little messier, more splatter but it works good on rusty stuff, after you clean it up a bit, i always buy a 1lb roll of flux core wire roll, even though its says it will hold 11lb roll, that would last forever, as i do not do major welding, the tips i use are .035, .030?, .025.........just try not to breath the gas , and use the helmet to protect your eyes..........good luck......................

ps mine can be converted to gas , i just never got around to it.........................

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Report this Post05-04-2004 12:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fuzzSend a Private Message to fuzzDirect Link to This Post
The answer is to buy a mig outfit that can also use the flux core if you desire. That's what I have, and have had for years. It's a Hobart unit that I paid a little over $700 including the tanks. That way you can weld just about anything you run in to.
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Report this Post05-04-2004 04:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ED's85GTSend a Private Message to ED's85GTDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by jeffndebrus:


Anyway, I am considering buying a welder for light houshold and Fiero work-----read that--welding engine mounts and cradle.
Should I get a flux core wire welder or an arc stick welder?

Thank you
Jeff

A welder will be more money than buying Bubbajoe's mounts, Last i heard the two mounts were about $150

Bubbajoe's mounts= No welding at all required.

Ed

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Report this Post05-04-2004 06:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroguruSend a Private Message to fieroguruDirect Link to This Post
I have a craftsman wire welder (did not even buy the gas kit) and use the flux core wire. I use it all the time and have used it to butt weld my exhaust system (16 or 14 ga) and man times up to 1/4" steel brackets. Just make sure you clean up what you are going to weld and buy a good brass ground clamp... makes all the difference in the world!

I also have had a Lincoln 220 stick welder for 5 years... never even plugged it in. But when I get around to building a car trailer, it will see some use.

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Report this Post05-04-2004 10:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PCGamerSend a Private Message to PCGamerDirect Link to This Post
I bought an 80 amp mig with 20 lb tank 18 years ago thru harbor freight.. I've welded in floorboards, rocker panels, torque boxes, trunk floors, and frame rails with it on (at the time) my 69 mach 1 and it worked and still works great... go with the mig not stick cause mig is MUCH more versatile.....

PS fords rule........

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