Pennock's Fiero Forum
  Technical Discussion & Questions - Archive
  aluminum heads on an iron head motor.. what would happen? (Page 2)

T H I S   I S   A N   A R C H I V E D   T O P I C
  

Email This Page to Someone! | Printable Version

This topic is 2 pages long:  1   2 
Previous Page | Next Page
aluminum heads on an iron head motor.. what would happen? by jude
Started on: 06-07-2004 12:05 AM
Replies: 49
Last post by: Pyrthian on 06-10-2004 10:46 AM
Mick
Member
Posts: 74
From:
Registered: Oct 2002


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post06-09-2004 01:38 AM Click Here to See the Profile for MickClick Here to visit Mick's HomePageSend a Private Message to MickDirect Link to This Post
The Fiero 2.8 V6 does not have provisions for a crank sensor. It does not matter if variants of the 2.8 were used with aluminum heads on blocks that had crank sensor provision or not, its irrelevant. :sigh:

If you think it easy to use an MSD crank trigger to control a GM DIS system, then by all means, spend the $230 and ave at it

[This message has been edited by Mick (edited 06-09-2004).]

IP: Logged
donk316
Member
Posts: 1952
From: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
Registered: Mar 2003


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 329
User Banned

Report this Post06-09-2004 02:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for donk316Send a Private Message to donk316Direct Link to This Post
Im not saying its cheap and its the easiest way to go. Im just saying complete engine swaps and the like are not allways the answer.

Im trying to take an approach that seems to be lost in recent years, trying to achieve performance by building it.....

not buying a KIT, SWAPPING a motor, bolting on a TURBO, plumbing a N20 line...

but with FLOW, COMPRESSION, BIG LIFT AND DURATION, and <god forbid>a DISTIBUTOR.

I realize the benefits of electronic fuel injection so thats why I have incorporated it.

Hopefully someone can see my point here...

------------------
Calgary - August 1, 2004 Fiero Fiesta
1984 Indy Fiero 3.4/3100 Hybrid NA
*ALL THROTTLE AND NO BOTTLE*

[This message has been edited by donk316 (edited 06-09-2004).]

IP: Logged
Will
Member
Posts: 14257
From: Where you least expect me
Registered: Jun 2000


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 237
Rate this member

Report this Post06-09-2004 11:56 AM Click Here to See the Profile for WillSend a Private Message to WillDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Mick:
The Fiero 2.8 V6 does not have provisions for a crank sensor. It does not matter if variants of the 2.8 were used with aluminum heads on blocks that had crank sensor provision or not, its irrelevant. :sigh:

If you think it easy to use an MSD crank trigger to control a GM DIS system, then by all means, spend the $230 and ave at it


I'm failing to see why you consider it irrelevant that DIS 2.8 blocks can be easily found. If I wanted to build a DIS 2.8, I'd start with that block. It's not irrelevant at all.


 
quote
Originally posted by donk316:
Im trying to take an approach that seems to be lost in recent years, trying to achieve performance by building it.....

but with FLOW, COMPRESSION, BIG LIFT AND DURATION, and <god forbid>a DISTIBUTOR.

I agree that the best engines are not built by the factory. However, if I'm going to the trouble of building an engine, I'm going to use the best and most tunable ignition and computer that are readily available. That means DIS to me. DIS is also not that much more expensive and is easier to set up on an engine that originally came with it than moving worlds to install a distributor with an intake never meant for it.

Don't forget that swapped engines can also be built, and getting the best results from turbo or N2O also involves building an engine.

------------------
'87 Fiero GT: Low, Sleek, Fast, and Loud
'90 Pontiac 6000 SE AWD: None of the Above

Luck, Fate and Destiny are words used by those who lack the courage to define their own future

IP: Logged
Will
Member
Posts: 14257
From: Where you least expect me
Registered: Jun 2000


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 237
Rate this member

Report this Post06-09-2004 11:57 AM Click Here to See the Profile for WillSend a Private Message to WillDirect Link to This Post

Will

14257 posts
Member since Jun 2000
@#$%&^

[This message has been edited by Will (edited 06-09-2004).]

IP: Logged
Mick
Member
Posts: 74
From:
Registered: Oct 2002


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post06-09-2004 01:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MickClick Here to visit Mick's HomePageSend a Private Message to MickDirect Link to This Post
Irrelevant since the original subject of this post was installing aluminum heads on an existing "Fiero" 2.8 V6. If a swap to a different pushrod 60V6 block is solution at all, then a late model GEN III block would be the obvious choice. No offense intended of course, just different logic involved.

------------------
88 Fiero Formula 5-spd
Turbocharged / Intercooled 99' 3100 VIN M

GMPCM Performance Tuning Software

[This message has been edited by Mick (edited 06-09-2004).]

IP: Logged
Will
Member
Posts: 14257
From: Where you least expect me
Registered: Jun 2000


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 237
Rate this member

Report this Post06-09-2004 06:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for WillSend a Private Message to WillDirect Link to This Post
Ya never know what weird things people want to do...
Some of them are even building carbeuretted engines

I'd go with the roller cam 3.4 block with DIS 2.8 crank myself
But if someone wants to build a DIS 2.8, more power to them.

------------------
'87 Fiero GT: Low, Sleek, Fast, and Loud
'90 Pontiac 6000 SE AWD: None of the Above

Luck, Fate and Destiny are words used by those who lack the courage to define their own future

IP: Logged
donk316
Member
Posts: 1952
From: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
Registered: Mar 2003


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 329
User Banned

Report this Post06-09-2004 07:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for donk316Send a Private Message to donk316Direct Link to This Post
You guys are missing my point. I see where your coming from though.

------------------
Calgary - August 1, 2004 Fiero Fiesta
1984 Indy Fiero 3.4/3100 Hybrid NA
*ALL THROTTLE AND NO BOTTLE*

IP: Logged
Will
Member
Posts: 14257
From: Where you least expect me
Registered: Jun 2000


Feedback score: (1)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 237
Rate this member

Report this Post06-10-2004 09:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for WillSend a Private Message to WillDirect Link to This Post
I understand why you want to build your own engine. (I think)
I just don't understand the necessity of a distributor.

------------------
'87 Fiero GT: Low, Sleek, Fast, and Loud
'90 Pontiac 6000 SE AWD: None of the Above

Luck, Fate and Destiny are words used by those who lack the courage to define their own future

IP: Logged
sentinel_76ca
Member
Posts: 540
From: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Registered: Jan 2002


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post06-10-2004 10:12 AM Click Here to See the Profile for sentinel_76caSend a Private Message to sentinel_76caDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Mick:

Here is the 300 hp full roller 3100 powertrain that results from 14 PSIG of boost
provided by the turbo bolted to the flange.

Nice engine, if you like that 3100 kinda stuff

------------------
Steve

Ottawa Fiero Show August 7-8
Ottawa Fiero
84 3100 5 Speed
85 Stock SE

IP: Logged
Pyrthian
Member
Posts: 29569
From: Detroit, MI
Registered: Jul 2002


Feedback score: (5)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 342
Rate this member

Report this Post06-10-2004 10:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PyrthianSend a Private Message to PyrthianDirect Link to This Post
I converted a Lumina Alum head 3.1 to a Fiero iron head 3.1. Went with the simple swap. I still have my old blown 2.8 shortblock, and the Gen 1 alum heads. I often think about putting them together, and modifying the intake manifold & plenums to use Fiero sensors, so I can continue to use my existing ECM. Havent thought much about the distributer clearance problem. or the re-locating the dogbone. But, it is something I want to do. and now, thinking about the 3400, with roller cam & even bigger intake ports would be even better. but, at that point its turning into a full swap, so the 3.4 DOHC seems the better way to go at that point. anyways, the whole problem is lack of intakes to chose from. you have 3 choices - iron head stock, iron head carb, alum head stock. thats it. to me, thats where you start. pick one of them 3, and deal with the problems of that setup.
IP: Logged
Previous Page | Next Page

This topic is 2 pages long:  1   2 


All times are ET (US)

T H I S   I S   A N   A R C H I V E D   T O P I C
  

Contact Us | Back To Main Page

Advertizing on PFF | Fiero Parts Vendors
PFF Merchandise | Fiero Gallery
Real-Time Chat | Fiero Related Auctions on eBay



Copyright (c) 1999, C. Pennock