I saw the note above about hurting the TH125C fuel mileage... If you are still running the TC lockup, and you should be, then highway mileage shouldn't be affected by the TC stall. You may notice a change around town when the TC isn't locking up much.
------------------ Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. (Jurasic Park)
What happening here? I'm losing my duke and I'm thinking of replacing it when it blows for one of these. Anyone done the swap yet? any pictures of it in a Fiero and running?
The engine is mounted on the craddle an waiting on the T convertor ,i will post some pictures next week ,i have been working on some bill paying projects , it seem to be great interest in a complete package ,now how many would pay for a complete package ,then it would be worth full time progress
The engine is mounted on the craddle an waiting on the T convertor ,i will post some pictures next week ,i have been working on some bill paying projects , it seem to be great interest in a complete package ,now how many would pay for a complete package ,then it would be worth full time progress
I think with what I've been reading and looking into this might be a little mighty mouse of an engine I plan on test-driving a car with one in the next few days to see what I think about it. As you selling kits I have no idea about that. I plan to buy a total donor car so I have everything I need to do the swap. I get on the average 32MPG with the Duke and was hoping to put a better motor in the 85 that will get better mileage.
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Posts: 618 From: Hays, Kansas Registered: Oct 2004
What kind of price are we looking at for the whole package? I'm tempted to sell out and put an auto in my project. I'm having a moment of weakness. Also, exactly what will be included in a kit?
the flexplate to torque converter adapter are finished as of today ,now we are looking at about $1399.00 with hand written instructions , you will get a torque converter ( 2200 stall ) an flexplate adapter , engine adapter plate , new trans mounts an engine bracket an mount an the last thing we are finishing is the new programing perrimeters to allow the engine to go to 7200 rpm an gain 15 more horsepower , this can be done before you install a better exhaust manifold ,but the exhaust do need to be done at some point an time ,an who want to post the flexplate adapter pictures for me
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HellYes Member
Posts: 736 From: CLifton, IL 60927 Registered: Mar 2005
I was just doing a little research. As far as I can tell your adapter plate looks to be an exact copy of the one depicted on page 121 (The page number in acrobat will be 125, as it counts the index as pages) of the GM ecotech performance build book. (GM Racing (Bates) part number CPT715) I'd be very very careful if you plan to profit off this design. The similarity is too great for me to think this was independently engineered. Either you found the supplier and bought one plate to copy, or this information is freely availible somewhere.
If it's the first option, please do not duplicate someone else's product. This is what makes kits so expensive. The rightful owners of the design have to overcharge the honest people to make up for all the people stealing their design.
If it's the second, I will eventually find this information and make it freely availible to the forum.
I'm sure I'll rake in some negatives for calling you out on this, I just hope that some people understand that I am doing what I feel is right and offset those negatives with some positives.
I could be wrong about this, but I really don't see how. It's too perfect.
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i have sold 6 of these , was the book out before my parts , no , an could i change my bolt pattern up or would all of them have to match the same to really work an all the wholes serve a purpose an i guess next i got my flexplate adapter from them to ,ask fiero turbo how long he had his plate before this book come out , an futher more its always the people who are not buying anything ,just in the middle of someone elses buisness , am i making money from this, not alot but this is whats wrong ,you want me to give my time away an my cad print , BUT YOU WOULD PAY FOR THE PART OUT OF THAT CATALOG AN talk down to me , thats why we will all be speaking chinese in 15 years ,if we could buy a engine adapter package from PEPBOYS we would not complain ,but because a forum member has it , it should be free for everyone ,a half a sheet of material is $1485.00 then put 2.5 hours per plate cnc cost an then drive around until I find the correct hardness bolts an fastners an for my effort an time , Let me stop ,HAVE YOU CALLED THEM AN ASKED THEM TO SEND YOU A FREE ONE or THE CAD DRAWING YET !!!!!!!!!
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Posts: 3271 From: Lapeer, Michigan Registered: Mar 2004
There is no copyright listed on the PDF. I'll let you know the age of the book when mine arrives. I'm not sure if I understand you correctly, but are you saying that the GM race team stole your design? If you made the adapters for them, I apologize.
Also, I had every intention of buying a plate from you until I saw the incredibly inflated price. It was at this poit that i resigned myself to the fact that I would have to come up with something on my own. Knowing that GM mates the Ecotec to a 4T65, I decided to check out the book in the hopes that I could find some information on how they adapted it. That is when i saw this plate that bears an incredible resemblance to yours. I did not set out to dig up dirt on anyone. I did, however along the way find something that I felt I had to speak up about. There are just some situations where you have to speak your concience even if it might not be popular.
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what do you think the adapter plate package should cost , or do you want to make it out of cheap steel ,wood , plastic , i will get the 3 cars going i have GOING an stop posting anything about it , if people think i am trying to rip them off , lets look at it like this no one chipped in to help me pay for all the prototyping & machine work on this ,it all came out of my wallet up front before hand , if everone would have chipped in on this then they would have say in pricing ,tomorrow i want you to find out how much a 2200 stall torque converter with custom mounting tabs cost an let everone here know by midnight , then deduct that from the total cost an by the time i let you do all the parts i make almost $298.00 thats a 1/4 of the asking price of a total package after driving around to shop after shop an getting the front engine bracket welded up ,so i am right if my package was in that book for that price you would not complain at all , you would just figure out you were going to pay them PAPER ( dollars ) OR PLASTIC (credit card ) .
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Posts: 736 From: CLifton, IL 60927 Registered: Mar 2005
Alright, you've resorted to the oldest tactic in the book. Get the community against me by threatening to not continue. I'll stay out of your thread from here on out. Like I said before, it's just too perfect. Also noticed that you admitted you stole the design anyway on page 1.
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the flexplate will not be moved with a spacer now , because the starter head is not long enought to contact the flexplate teeth so the solution is add a 5/8 " boss to the 3 torque converter bolt wholes on the converter this will allow the converter to lock into the transmission an move it 5/8 away from the flexplate to make up for the adapter plate thickness ,i have talked with some torque converter makers an a longer converter front locking spline would be custom an costly an a custom made wider converter would be costly, the GM race division is welding a new longer boss on to the converter it self an taping new threads an using longer bolts thru the flexplate, this same adapter plate is what used to put the 4t65e GP in the GM race car because the cavalier trans. were breaking the chains inside above 550-600 HP , i have 2 more adapter plates already cut an i do not have the cad files in my computer it cost me $65.00 per hour an was a 4 hr job to make the cad file an clamps to hold the aluminum on the cnc machine , i have another picture with the Fiero trans. bolted to the engine
I guess I didn't need to say anything. Obviously the people interested are okay with it. I simply skimmed past that. I'm done with this thread. If anyone wants to flame me, do it here, and then please PM the same to me.
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here is a simular convertor on ebay with a higher stall speed than we need for the fiero which has a 1600 stall speed, ebay Item number: 7993050936 so you can have something to compare my prices with , since i am guilty of over charging , the people here that know performance parts would know a good package when they see it , an some of us have to save up to get what we want an i understand that very well that is why it has taken as long as it has on this package ,i have a wife an 4 kids so ,i do understand
I was just doing a little research. As far as I can tell your adapter plate looks to be an exact copy of the one depicted on page 121 (The page number in acrobat will be 125, as it counts the index as pages) of the GM ecotech performance build book. I'd be very very careful if you plan to profit off this design. The similarity is too great for me to think this was independently engineered. Either you found the supplier and bought one plate to copy, or this information is freely availible somewhere.
If it's the first option, please do not duplicate someone else's product. This is what makes kits so expensive. The rightful owners of the design have to overcharge the honest people to make up for all the people stealing their design.
If it's the second, I will eventually find this information and make it freely availible to the forum.
I'm sure I'll rake in some negatives for calling you out on this, I just hope that some people understand that I am doing what I feel is right and offset those negatives with some positives.
I could be wrong about this, but I really don't see how. It's too perfect.
Thanks this is what we need here members sharing info and helping each other.
WELL THOSE WERE THE LAST PICTURES of my parts , you can buy the book that hellyes has found an get the part no. an buy it thru GM , i will not stay around to be called names ,i am not leaving but not posting on this topic we will wait on the people that stir up s--- rather than going out making parts , they can finish this thread up , an NIXON thanks ,i think he will have the no. for you soon , if it has a no.
Is anyone ever going to actually FINISH an ecotec Fiero?!
Doesn't look like it... at least not with attitudes and egos flying around like they have been. <shakes head in disapproval>
CETI - get over what others have said, learn to ignore what you don't want to hear - and get on with your project! Don't quit sharing on anyone else's account. If you don't have anything to hide - then you've got nothing to worry about and nothing to complain about. If you put your own time & money into the project - then you're doing the right thing... no need to be so defensive & brash about it.
Others - yes, GM has the adaptor plate... yes, it is awfully similar to CETI's - but you would imagine it would have to be to accomplish the same task (there are distinct similiarities between Archie's SBC adaptor and other zumalt-based adaptors - specifically they all have the same bolt patterns & general shapes). It is totally possible (and plausable) that two people can come up with the same idea at the same time.
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Posts: 1085 From: Orefield, PA Registered: Jan 2003
Doesn't look like it... at least not with attitudes and egos flying around like they have been. <shakes head in disapproval>
Wow... I missed alot in the last 6 months. Um, yeah... I'm not really back yet (shhhh, it's a secret), but wow. Alot has happened with everyone elses Ecotecs.
Good news with mine. My 2.2L ported, turbo'd, machined, and everything else I can think of, is ready to go into my '88 5-speed coupe, courtesy of wonderful people back home. Yup, just need to get back to the states (December..... maybe January).
The war is going well. Were winning! I'm sure you guys have seen the insurgency is decreasing, I'll be home and wrenching my Ecotec Turbo before you know it.
Reguardless, I think everyone should at least give Celticars credit for getting ahead of me in the quest for the Ecotec. I started first, but he's nearing completion. Mad props to him for that.
Anywho, I gotta run. It's nice to be back (but I'm not... hehe).
------------------ Petty Officer Michael C Casaceli Aircraft Electronics Technician Third Class Patrol Squadron Ten United States Navy
I'm sure you guys have seen the insurgency is decreasing, I'll be home and wrenching my Ecotec Turbo before you know it.
