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Aftermarket wheels for an 88 are a..... by Skybax
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Centerline with a 42mm offset only
They are under $200

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well, heres pics of how mine fit, have no idea what the offset is, i think they fit nicely. may be selling ina while.


this is the front driver side, straight down.

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Originally posted by GSXRBOBBY:


Centerline with a 42mm offset only
They are under $200

I beleive Little Devils runs these wheels on his car and they are only like 14 pounds each. That is in a 17, which is really light and a good price.

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I was told the 42 offset is just to much in the middle, to bad I really like the look of these. Nice, clean and simple but really sharp at the sametime. That is also the only size they come in, at least thats the only off set size I have found they sell.

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How about these?

17x7 Offset 45mm
18x7.5 Offset 35mm
Would the 7.5 not be wide enough or cause any kind of issues?

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Originally posted by PontiacJ8:

How about these?

17x7 Offset 45mm
18x7.5 Offset 35mm

Would the 7.5 not be wide enough or cause any kind of issues?

They would be great...

Fronts would be better at 48mm, but don't sweat the 3mm, 45mm will be fine.

Rears are perfect.


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I just thought I would pass along this website link:
http://bigwheels.net/index.jsp
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I thought that I'd add as little as possible here, as when I was looking for rims and tires for the SSEiGT, I was told that there was no way under the sun that I was going to be able to go big and wide.

Needless to say, I rolled the dice when I bought the rims from out of state, and had the tires special ordered, and here is what I ended up w/:

Personally, I love every inch of this rim and tire combo, as it's just the look that I want, short of the ride height that will change in the rear via coilovers, and the fronts w/ the drop springs as soon as the PS rack is finished.

This is an 88 GT with:
FRONTS 17x8's w/ a 35mm offset.
REARS: 18x9's w/ a 35 mm offset.

PRE-ALIGNMENT:

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No WWAAAAAYYYYY those wheels can fit! They are not 48mm, oh hold on mine are only 38mm and mine dont fit eather

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Originally posted by mcaanda:
This is an 88 GT with:
FRONTS 17x8's w/ a 35mm offset.
REARS: 18x9's w/ a 35 mm offset.[/b]

Please, more info! What size tires are you running? What brand rims are those and where did you get them?
I would love to get a set of 17x8 front and 17x9 rear. I could go with the 18x9 if needed, but I'd prefer the 17" all the way round since the roads here are prett crappy.

I was thinking 215/45-17 up front and 255/40-17 rear, if I can find suitable rims.

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I have 17x7's in front with 38mm offset and 17x8's in back with a 35mm offset. The tires are 215-45 in front and 255-45 in back.
Like I said in the first page "dont narrow your self to 48mm offset's and it aint that hard to find the wheels you like" YOU DONT NEED 48mm OFFSET's. If you want 48mm offsets, that is your choice and you are going to bang your head on the wall because every time you find a wheel you want, they will tell you "it does not come in that offset and bolt patern."
I am not saying dont look for 48mm, I am saying 38mm will work and that will open up a wider selection of wheels. I also understand the context of this thread "scrub radius" and in that I can not comment as I am not an expert on that. But on cosmetics 7" wide rim with a 38mm offset fits perfect.

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My previous set of wheels used 7" 38mm offset all around. With stock alignment I couldn't stand the look, but with an extra degree of camber over stock specs they were "acceptable". The rears, however were too far in compared to the front and still looked funny to me. Now my wife and friends thought I was nuts for not being happy, but after looking at this forum for a couple of years you get "the eye" and can see details that don't stand out to others. Yes, you can get by with 7" 38mm and probably look just fine, but the 7" 48mm front and 8" 35mm rear makes my car look right to me.
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Originally posted by mcaanda:

--Allen[/COLOR]

This pic probably shows what I mean the most. They are beautiful rims. Taken individually, the front and rears can be aligned and look just fine, but taken as a whole, the front sticks out more than the rear. Probably something most people would never notice or even care about, but going to 48mm offset evens out the look, makes it easier to tuck, and reduces scrub radius.

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No WWAAAAAYYYYY those wheels can fit! They are not 48mm, oh hold on mine are only 38mm and mine dont fit eather

Sounds very sarcastic to me.

Nobody ever said those sizes or offsets wouldn't fit.

If owner is happy with the way they fit that's all that matters.

Others are not happy with their wheels/tires sticking out past the body.

 
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But on cosmetics 7" wide rim with a 38mm offset fits perfect.

(Note... talking about the front of an 88 only)

Actually that is incorrect. It's impossible to fit "perfect" when your original rim was 37mm offset and you increased your rim width by 1"... your wheel will stick out roughly 1/2"..... it's simple math.

I don't doubt your happy with them, you have displayed that throughout the thread, and I'm sure they fit good, but the term "perfect" is too strong of a word and can be misleading for some.

Also note... you might want to manually measure the offset of your front rims using accurate methods, as sometimes the stamping of offsets can be incorrect. You might think you have 38, but actually have a higher offset. Fiero Western Diamond Spoke Wheels are famous for this. They are stamped 35mm when they are actually 30mm.

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Originally posted by fierogt88:
This pic probably shows what I mean the most. They are beautiful rims. Taken individually, the front and rears can be aligned and look just fine, but taken as a whole, the front sticks out more than the rear. Probably something most people would never notice or even care about, but going to 48mm offset evens out the look, makes it easier to tuck, and reduces scrub radius.

Yes, they do "poke out" a little, I will admit that this is the truth. In that picture there, it's really misleading on the amount of distance difference that is between the fronts and rears.

There is a slight difference between the fronts and the rears in extension outwards, but to the average laymen, they are really not going to be able to tell, as they are not looking at the spacing and offsets of the fronts and rears of the tires. Only Fiero people have been able to tell what the deal with the issues are, being that the 88's are all jacked up when it comes to offsets.

Thanx for the compliments. It literally took me about 4 months when it came time to finally decide what I was going to do on the combo, and I really think that they turned out to be pretty nice. I went back and forth, back and forth, and finally decided that I was going to go this route, and when it's time to get the little lady a GT, I’m going to go the same size on hers as well.

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Man I must be missing something here ....this offset stuff is confusing !!!
I am running 40 mm on the rear and they look like they sit under the fenders better than the 35 mm I see in the pics.

Help me understand this !!

I also run 40 mm on the front if I put a 48 mm on the front what is it going to do to the rim, move it further in by 8mm ?
And since I am running 40mm on the rear also. if I put 35 on the rear is it going to put the wheel 5mm further out ?

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Originally posted by Zoom88:
Man I must be missing something here ....this offset stuff is confusing !!!

Kind of like pointers in programming, once it "clicks" you get it.

 
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I am running 40 mm on the rear and they look like they sit under the fenders better than the 35 mm I see in the pics.

40mm will sit under the fenders more than 35mm, you are correct.

 
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Help me understand this !!

I also run 40 mm on the front if I put a 48 mm on the front what is it going to do to the rim, move it further in by 8mm ?


Yes.
 
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And since I am running 40mm on the rear also. if I put 35 on the rear is it going to put the wheel 5mm further out ?

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Yes.

In all my examples through this thread, I have been giving offsets and calculations for an 88 with 7" wide on the front and 8" wide on the rear, using tire sizes that keep the height as close to stock as possible, and keeping front and rear tucked evenly. Using different widths, heights, offsets, alignments, standards, goals, opinions, preferences, budgets, and brand of duct tape will change your outcome.


P.S. to mcaanda: Your choice in rims is fine, and I probably would have done the same to mine, had I gone wider. With an 8 inch rim on the front, too much offset would put you into negative scrub radius, which would be a very bad thing for handling.

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Well I got back on Discount tires website and just about every wheel I was looking at is no longer on there, wow they have a large turn over rate!

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and brand of duct tape

LOL

 
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Originally posted by GSXRBOBBY:

Well I got back on Discount tires website and just about every wheel I was looking at is no longer on there, wow they have a large turn over rate!

Sad isn't it?

The harsh reality is... most of the online vendors don't even have the wheels they show! I can't tell you how many times I inquired te be told..... "we'll check on that for ya"

Two days later..... "sorry we can only get the 2 of them" "not in yet" "discontinued"

That's because they don't have them and the distributor doesn't have them. In most cases they CAN get them but would require a shippment of X amount from the manufacturer in UK, IT, and so on. I found in many cases their listing for sizes for a specific model wheel were incomplete.

I finally gave up, went around all those bastards, and started dealing directly with the manufacturer though my friends business. It's a PITA but at least I know what I can and cannot get.

Sheez... I forgot how much I hated this thread, hehe.

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Skybax, why do you hate this thread? Its been great, the 88 is a ***** to get just what you want in the perfect wheel? The right size, the right offset, the right width, bolt pattern, finish, style, inner hub size. It has been an eye opener at least to me!

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Originally posted by fierogt88:

My previous set of wheels used 7" 38mm offset all around. With stock alignment I couldn't stand the look, but with an extra degree of camber over stock specs they were "acceptable".

You're right about the camber.

Something else I noticed...
Lowering the front of the car by 1-1.5" also seems to tuck them in. It's probably just an optical illusion, but it works.

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I did find out or was told by a guy from the local Discount Tire store was TSW has a smaller inner hub then 5zigen wheels. I know that some of the TSW wheels, 17" wheels mostly have a to small hub, at least the set I did see.

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Ok how about 18x7.5 with 225-40s and 18x8.5 with255-35s both 35mm ofset? the wheels and tire sizes i want (ssr gt3s, tire rack look under pt cruiser) will they work?

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Hey I had a quick question. Will a 17" x 6.5" wheel onthe frotn with a 43.35mm offset run into any contact problems? The 43.35mm offset makes this rim stick out the same amoutn as the factory 6", 37mm offset. So will the extra .25" of width on each side of the rim make it contact?

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It would be perfect.

Where are you getting a 17x6.5?

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The new diamond cut 5-spokes on the Monte Carlo and Impala SS are 17x6.5".

The only problem is that they are a 115mm lug, and the Fiero is 114.3 correct?

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Nope 5 on 100
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The Fiero is 5x100.

There are tons of wheels available with that pattern.

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Just not the ones I want.
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Konig Tantrums 18x7.5 all around..

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The Fiero is 5x100.

There are tons of wheels available with that pattern.

All these cars use the same 100mm rim size, same as the Fiero
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1996-79½ BUICK - Skylark, Apollo

1990-81½ Skyhawk

1990-80 Century (Some 115 mm)

1989-85 Somerset, Regal , Skylark

1988-81 CADILLAC - Cimarron

1996-87 CHEVROLET - Beretta, Corsica

1999-81½ Cavalier

1991-82 Celebrity (Some 115 mm)

1985-79½ Citation

1999-95 CHRYSLER - Cirrus, Sebring (some 4 1/2")

1995-86 Le Baron, New Yorker

1995-85 Le Baron Coupe, Sedan

1986-85 Laser

1999-95 DODGE - Neon, Stratus

1994-89 Spirit

1994-88 Dynasty

1994-87 Shadow

1992 & 88-86 Caravan

1993-85 Daytona

1989-86 Aries, Aries America

1988-86 400 "K", 600

1989-85 Lancer

1996-92 OLDSMOBILE - Achieva

1992-85 Cutlass Calais

1990-82 Cutlass Ciera (Some 115)

1988-81½ Firenza

1985-79½ Omega

1999-95 PLYMOUTH - Breeze, Neon

1997-86 Voyager

1994-89 Acclaim

1994-84 Sundance

1988-85 Caravelle

1989-86 Reliant, Reliant America

1998-85 PONTIAC - Grand Am

1999-81½ J-2000, Sunbird, Sunfire

1990-82 A-6000 (Some 115 mm)

1988-84 Fiero

1985-79 Phoenix, Ventura

1999-94 SUBARU - Impreza

1996-90 Legacy

1992-83 TOYOTA - Camary

1997-93 VOLKSWAGEN - Corrado, Golf, Jetta, Passat

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Also some of the
Audi TT, Toyota Celicas, Acura integras and more!

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Well they have to be 5-spokes.

I've always liked Beretta GTZ wheels, but a 6-7" wide wheel isn't going to hold 450hp...

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Skybax;

Did you have any clearance issues with those rims you put on the front? 15x6 with 48 mm offset right?
Do you think you might have had a problem with 16x7 with 48 mm offset? I know 17" are fine but 16"?

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Report this Post03-21-2005 09:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SkybaxSend a Private Message to SkybaxDirect Link to This Post
 
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Skybax;

Did you have any clearance issues with those rims you put on the front? 15x6 with 48 mm offset right?

No and no

Factory wheel is 15x6 @ 37mm offset
Aftermarket wheel is 15x6 @ 32mm offset

No fitment issues because it's almost a perfect fit. It moves the wheel outward 5mm. That is roughly 3/16"... a very small amount.

 
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Do you think you might have had a problem with 16x7 with 48 mm offset? I know 17" are fine but 16"?

Yes... you might.

The reason why is.....

1) If the new wheel is 7" wide, you need a 50mm offset to put the outside of the rim where it belongs.

2) Problem with that is, using a 17x7 rim you run the risk of hitting the control arm. Depends on the type of aftermarket wheel. Most people have good success with 48mm offset. In most cases it doesn't hit the control arm and only sticks out 2mm, basicly a perfect fit.

3) Problem with the 16x7 rim is, it has a smaller diameter than 17" and it's been said that it will hit the control arm at 48mm offset where the 17" does not. I do not have proof of this. I wish I knew the truth.

If you want to run 16x7 up front on an 88, it is my opinion you would need to use a 45mm offset. There is a very good chance it won't hit the control arm from my measurements, and it will only stick out 5mm. (roughly 3/16")


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Report this Post03-22-2005 03:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for aaron88Send a Private Message to aaron88Direct Link to This Post
Cool.

And thanks.

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Report this Post06-03-2005 09:34 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Tom SlickSend a Private Message to Tom SlickDirect Link to This Post
what about 18x7.5 with a 38mm or 40mm offset work on an '88 formula.

thanks...

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Report this Post11-11-2005 02:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ricreatrSend a Private Message to ricreatrDirect Link to This Post
this is a really great thread, despite how difficult it is.
this is what i learned. (now if someone could summarize numbers for 2. and 3.)

there are three (3) types of perfect fits.

1. it looks "perfect"

2. it fits "perfect" like the original wheel (sticks out the same distance)

3. it has the "perfect" measurement for proper scrub radius / suspension geometry.

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