I have sent out a couple E-mails with little or no fan fair in regards to the GTP G6 Six Speed Manual hooked to the L67 motor to be installed into a Fiero of any sorts.

I know that Archie was posting a lot of info about his six speed mated to the LSx motor, and quit because of copy cats that were looking to build theirs off of his R&D. Does anybody know if he’s going to be also working on this for the 38oo crowd as well? I have E-mailed 'em a couple of times with no reply.

I have talked also w/ Brian Teel, who was going to be putting one into a GP GTP, but the project stalled due to issues with linkage, axles, and what not. I’d hoped that he’d have done one, being that GM gave them a transmission to work with as well!

Is there anybody out there that is working on a kit, thoughts of a kit, a DIY install…anything?

--Allen

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fastfiero is working on it.

quote Originally posted by revin: fastfiero is working on it.

I thought Lloyd was working on the 5-speed from the supercharged Ecotech? I think he feels it's stronger than the G6 6-speed.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I thought Lloyd was working on the 5-speed from the supercharged Ecotech? I think he feels it's stronger than the G6 6-speed.

Yea, I thought that Loyde was going to work on the EcoTech with the stock trans that came with the car also.

I know that w/ the dealer upgrades that are available for the car are pretty serious, and Im sure that the best choice would have been what came w/ it from the dealer - transmission wise.
< wow, did I just say that the OEM choice is possibly the best one out there? >

--Allen

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quote Originally posted by revin: fastfiero is working on it.

Thank you Kevin... but, I am actually working on the 5 speed GETRAG 287. It is the MU3 ( F35 ) from the Cobalt SS behind the 2.0L supercharged engine. I have 3 brand new ones in stock.

This is one of them..

The reason for me to pursue the F35 instead of the F40 is mainly the LSD option. Here we have a 2.0L SC engine that is going to be mod'ed by GM to 265HP, have a factory LSD, and still be under warrantty. The GVW rating on this transmission is 5000 lbs.

Quaife is coming out with a 6 speed upgrade to this transmission, but it will not be cheap.

So, this will require the adapter plate solution to work with the 3800sc and the LS1, but it just makes sense to me to use this transmission for the LSD and the GM testing that must have went into this transmission.

Another item to note about this transmission is the F35 comes from the F25.. The F25 is the Saab Racing transmission and was used in 98-03 on the high HP and torque 2.2 turbo engines..

Loyde

Archie was working on a G6 in my LS1 thread. Perhaps it will work for the LS6 aswell..
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/070852.html

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quote Originally posted by Seanpaul: Archie was working on a G6 in my LS1 thread. Perhaps it will work for the LS6 as well.. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/070852.html

The LS6 and the LS1 are essentially the same motors when it comes to blocks from what I have read - both very different when compared to the SC'd V6 L67.

I have sent out a couple E-mails to 'em < Archie > , but they were not returned. I know he’s into the V8’s and what not, so he might not be supporting the L67 crowd.

With the info that Loyde posted, there could possibly be another option being that the trans out of the Cobalt motors are coming built to handle just about what I’m looking to throw at my GT. Plus, there's the fact that it's a FACTORY LSD. It's hard to argue the fact that they are willing to put a warranty on it - it should hold up pretty well....

I wonder what the pricing differences are between the two. I heard that the GTP G6 will bolt to the L67 w/o an adapter plate, so this will allow for a decrease in cost that might be equal to the cost of obtaining the other.

Is there nobody that has started this?

--Allen

quote Originally posted by mcaanda: The LS6 and the LS1 are essentially the same motors when it comes to blocks from what I have read - both very different when compared to the SC'd V6 L67. I have sent out a couple E-mails to 'em < Archie > , but they were not returned. I know he’s into the V8’s and what not, so he might not be supporting the L67 crowd. With the info that Loyde posted, there could possibly be another option being that the trans out of the Cobalt motors are coming built to handle just about what I’m looking to throw at my GT. Plus, there's the fact that it's a FACTORY LSD. It's hard to argue the fact that they are willing to put a warranty on it - it should hold up pretty well.... I wonder what the pricing differences are between the two. I heard that the GTP G6 will bolt to the L67 w/o an adapter plate, so this will allow for a decrease in cost that might be equal to the cost of obtaining the other. Is there nobody that has started this? --Allen

Allen, about the only option today is purchase a F40 ( G6 GTP ) transmission new from the dealer. The price was posted by Archie, but I think I remember it was $2500 new in box.

The G6 GTP is the only car with the manual F40 option at this time. They are overpriced and not selling well. I have been scanning Carpart to see if any pop up daily and the number of automatics is huge. Manuals - Zero... There are 2 more cars to release with the F40 option, but I think they are mid 06 release cars.

Here is the cost of NEW from GM on the F35...
MU3 without LSD $2200
MU3 with LSD $2500 < ding ding... Price value... HOWEVER.... not available to the public at this time... High demand part internally. I already tried >
LSD from GM $1800
LSD from Quiafe $1400

Used MU3 from salvage yards is about $600-1000... No LSD transmissions have popped up in the last 30 days. You can be assured I have checked. It is complicated however to do the checking. The LSD is G85 option code. The salvage yards are not looking at the RPO build sheets and noting G85 in the computers. So, I have to get the VIN and run it pass my dealer so he can check the option build sheet in the computers. I have a really patient parts guy at the dealership I work with.

Loyde

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quote Originally posted by mcaanda: I have sent out a couple E-mails to 'em < Archie > , but they were not returned. I know he’s into the V8’s and what not, so he might not be supporting the L67 crowd. --Allen [/COLOR]

Well for some reason I haven't got your EMails. I would have remembered if someone had inquired about the 3800SC 6 speed conversion. I've had many requests from the 2.8 V-6 & the 4.9 Caddie guys (along with the SBC & LSx people) but no interest from the 3800 SC guys.

I pretty well have all the parts & kits figured out. The LS1 with the 6 speed I'm doing for my PFF Roadster is going in to the car for the last time tomorrow. I just started doing the 1st 4.9 6 speed swap today to prove out the parts we've made for that swap. We plan to begin a 6 speed swap to a 2.8 car in the next 10 days to prove out all the parts we've made for that swap. If the 3800SC guys would have expressed interest, I would have developed parts for them while I was working on all the other engine combinations.

It's kind of fun to finally have something of value to supply to the rest of the Fiero engine conversion customers.

You can EMail me at Archie@v8archie.com

BTW: When I supply the F40 transmissions for customers, I've been doing the transmissions at my cost which is just less than $2K. If you were doing a SBC, 4.9 or 2.8 the total kit price would be right around $4700. This includes the transmission, custom axles, intermediate shaft, custom mounts, Clutch, Clutch Friction plate & several other odds & ends. Unlike the F35 trans, the F40 transmission has the same bolt pattern as the Fiero pattern, so for the 2.8, 4.1, 4.5, 4.9 & 3800 enignes so no adapter plate & custom flywheel would be required. Putting the 6 speed into a Fiero that already has one of my V-8 kits in it would not require a new adapter plate or Flywheel. I went to a lot of trouble to make sure my V-8 customers didn't have to replace their adapter plate, flywheel or starter just to upgrade to the 6 speed. As always, those that want to hunt down their own Pontiac parts, I can supply the other parts they'll need.

Archie

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quote Originally posted by Archie: Well for some reason I haven't got your EMails. I would have remembered if someone had inquired about the 3800SC 6 speed conversion ... You can EMail me at Archie@v8archie.com ...

Not sure, but I will update my personal address book w/ your E-mail. I guess I get to wear this -->

quote Originally posted by Archie: ... I pretty well have all the parts & kits figured out. The LS1 with the 6 speed I'm doing for my PFF Roadster is going in to the car for the last time tomorrow. I just started doing the 1st 4.9 6 speed swap today to prove out the parts we've made for that swap. We plan to begin a 6 speed swap to a 2.8 car in the next 10 days to prove out all the parts we've made for that swap. If the 3800SC guys would have expressed interest, I would have developed parts for them while I was working on all the other engine combinations. ...

Hot damn - I know that there are a few people that I have personally talked to about the GTP trans mated to the L67, and from what I have heard there might be a small nitch market for something if you have the ability to come up with a kit, parts of a kit...ect.

I know that I'd be interested in seeing what you could offer. I know that I've about had it when I go out w/ the SSEiGT, and have to remember that the 282 is not built for the hassle that the L67 can put to it. The last thing that I want to do after all this damn work to get it onto the road would be to have it drug back to the house just so that I can replace the transmission.

I hate to admit it, but there's a 67k mile 282 sitting in the corner of my garage waiting just incase something like this was to happen. Most guys stock up on ignition modules - I have transmissions.

While I’m not able to get into anything here in the short term as I’m going to be moving and resisting doing anything major to the car before the move.
I am very interested in doing something with the transmission in the car as soon as things settle down though, this I can attest to. The stock trans in my Fiero will not stay.
Keep us updated if you can on any changes in dealings with the L67.

Or, if I happen across a smokin' deal on an LS1, I at least will know who to call about headed in 6 directions forward.

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quote Originally posted by Archie: I would have remembered if someone had inquired about the 3800SC 6 speed conversion. I've had many requests from the 2.8 V-6 & the 4.9 Caddie guys (along with the SBC & LSx people) but no interest from the 3800 SC guys.

I would be interested in a beefier tranny to go behind the 3800SC I'm gonna install this spring

I also want one for my soon to be ser. III 3800sc swap. 6 speed trany with a 3800sc on the German Autobahn !!!!

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I am also looking for a stronger transmission to go with my 3800IISC swap. The F40 may be found in Opel's here in Europe, and the F35 in the Saabs. I have have no clue about the bellhousing patterns...

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MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS
Opel.
Designed for a torque rate of up to 400 Nm, the new six-speed manual transmission by Fiat-GMPowertrain,
internally named F40 transmission, is a new torque transmission benchmark for FWD cars
with transverse engine and transmission installation. Development of the new transmission was led by
Opel Powertrain GmbH in Rüsselsheim, Germany. It was first used in the Opel Signum and Vectra in
combination with the 2.0 Turbo Ecotec, the 1.9 CDTI, and 3.0 V6 CDTI Ecotec engines. During the
development phase of the compact, low mass manual transmission, simple matching provisions for Saab,
Pontiac, Fiat, Lancia, and Alfa Romeo models were also included.
Covers - design and characteristics, transmission ratios and applications, synchronization, transmission
housing and materials, noise behaviour, end of line noise test, vehicle acoustics, noise optimization,
service and environment-friendliness, production.
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Thanks for the info Fie Ro. I'll see if I can pick one up around here. I think the F40 would be the best for us as Archie said it should bolt right on. I hope that Opel didn't change the bell housing to match the ecotec motors and I doubt they did. I'll see what I can find.

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Lloyd, This is probably a stupid question, but will a 282 bellhousing mount to an F35 trans?